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[–] MightOver8064@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] MrGrumpyBear@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

This dude’s a dumb bastard and always has been. Hated him as a Bearcat, hate him as a washed up has been. Next?

[–] biggrocery@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

can confirm Kenyon Martin is a fuggin moron

[–] cjeremy@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I don't know why anyone listens to Gilbert or Kmart..

[–] Alfix10@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Who cares about better? Are they going to win as a team? Real basketball people either think the Mavs are going to succeed or not

[–] BlueHundred@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Unsurprising take from Kenyon Martin, who totally isn't racist.

[–] IndependentStudio882@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Then "real basketball people" are delusional . . .

[–] Earlier-Today@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yuck - no.

Kyrie's that guy who can make anyone look stupid - but not always. And while his bag is stupidly deep, if you're not fooled, he's not beating you.

That's Kyrie's weakness. He can't beat you if you're not caught out of position. That's why he can't lead a team - he can't be that scoring leader against playoff level defense that is disciplined enough to stay in front of him no matter what.

He needs somebody else taking some of the defensive focus off of him because doubles and help defense work really well against him. That's why he was in the perfect spot alongside LeBron - the defense absolutely couldn't key in on him. They knew he was dangerous, but they couldn't treat him like the primary threat.

Luka makes shots in spite of doubles and help defense.

[–] Initial-Stick-561@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Says the player who wasn’t known to have any basketball IQ whatsoever.

[–] KrD102@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Can’t believe a racist is being racist

[–] pahamack@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

They're just shitting on Luka and propping up Kyrie because Luka's white, right?

Like, it's such a dumbass take. Even if what they say is true, and Kyrie could 11-0 Luka (and I really doubt it)... Motherfucker, so what? Is that what matters?

Just the fact that Luka is 6'7" and has in his career grabbed a shitload of rebounds, while scoring a shitload of points. Can Kyrie do that? Because last I saw that shit is important in basketball too.

[–] KuzzyPoole@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Someone should mention Jeremy Lin

[–] gilr0id@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

That’s funny cus 30 out of 30 GMs would take Luka over Kyrie

[–] Phoeniyx@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Kyrie's mom is a real basketball person.

[–] OkBuddyErennary@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Explicitly dumb, subtly racist

[–] AdConscious7841@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Luka was better in his 2nd year than kyrie was any year in his career...

[–] crazyhan@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

these podcasters are tripping

[–] wuttang13@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Serious question.
Prime Kyrie (by WS, it's '14 CLV or '18 BOS) VS. Prime Luka (last season)
Who ya got?

[–] thr0wawayfortheag3s@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Kyrie is easily one of the most talented players I've ever seen but he isn't better than Luka.

Better shooter and ball handler? Yes. Arguably better finisher. Thats where the comparison ends though.

Luka is an entire offense by himself and is no slouch in any of the categories listed above. And he still has A LOT to improve on as well.

Is there a timeline where Kyrie fucking takes his job as a professional basketball player seriously and not be on some weird shit 70% of the time? Who knows but if there is, then maybe in that timeline this is a legitimate topic. Maybe. Like I said, Kyrie's obvious talent vs what he has actually achieved just doesn't line up.

Anyway, Kenyon knows hoop better than me and better than most of the people on this board but his take is bad. Rather than comparing the two players against one another, why not focus on the actual damage that duo can do? If Kyrie can just fucking play a full season without injury and off court drama, I see the Mavs exceeding current expectations.

[–] lenzmoserhangover@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

again, Luka and Jokic being used as stand ins for the great American culture war.

no relevant white Americans, so they have to fill that gap.

[–] BoyoNine5@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

A lot of people in here offended cause they didn’t get called “real basketball people” but will listen to ESPN all day

[–] mistyfan15@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Wow these mfs really are mad that luka is WHITE…. They dont wanna rank a white guy over kyrie lmaooo theres always been this weird thing for certain black people never wanting to tell it like it is with Kyrie.

[–] JayBee58484@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

They just don't like seeing a white dude ball like that, it's that simple.

[–] Ericstir@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

And the other 99.9% know he’s a train wreck

[–] LegateDamar13@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Amount of times i heard ex basketball players evaluate current basketball players via shrinking it to just 1v1 is idiotic.

Imagine removing passing as most important part in team oriented sport from the equation and saying it confidently.

[–] CryptoGod666@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] smushkreeg@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately for Kenyon, basketball isn’t a 1v1 game

[–] L_Moo_S@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

If this was an all white show spewing takes like this it would be called racism

Some of the stuff on the show is only not getting cancelled cos of celebration of African American "black culture" on mainstream TV which is actually just non even thinly veiled racism, anti semitism, other bullshit

[–] Jasonmancer@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Do we need to take this guy seriously? He was openly racist against Lin and was unapologetic, that already proved he's an asshole.

[–] Brucelee51@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

What an idiot….Luka is way better…

[–] Significant-Date-403@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Drunk analysis?..🧐

[–] siphillis@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

And people wonder why I don’t place player takes on a pedestal.

[–] lutang2@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Absolutely so stupid.

[–] Spiritual_Delay_2380@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

As non basketball person perusing this sub for the first time ever, it’s exactly like Taylor swift fans arguing with Selena Gomez fans in their subs.

[–] Low_Wall_7828@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

A warning to Clippers fan, you’re going to be hearing a lot from Kenyon this year.

[–] JuiceyTaco@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Of course he did, he’s racist.

[–] aznsensayshun@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

cant wait for the jxmyhighroller hot takes vid on this one

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