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Google Chrome to soon get a new ‘IP protection’ feature: Here’s what it does
(indianexpress.com)
That will just allow google to track every website you visit.
this post was submitted on 23 Oct 2023
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Both. It will prevent other sites from seeing some of your data, while giving Google more of your data. Of course Google wants to do this, it gives them a competitive edge. Smells like brewing lawsuits, though.
Using one dominant position (Chrome market share) to extend into another (data brokerage) is textbook Monopoly 101.
Yeah, we saw Microsoft do that with Windows and Internet Explorer back in the day.
Nobody can track what you're looking at*!
*For free any more because now they'll have to pay us for that data which we'll have wayyyy more of."
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Second pull the ladder move of Google in a short succession.
So a proxy of their own so Google can watch everything you do themselves? GTFO.
Ah yes, filter all my internet browsing through google servers for ~~analysis, data harvesting and exploitation~~ "privacy"
Then again, anyone actually caring about privacy probably wouldnt be using chrome to begin with.
Don't worry. They'll "strike a balance"
Hopefully what it does is popup a message urging users to STOP USING GOOGLE CHROME
That's pretty brilliant, actually.
I propose a nice server side open source library that will replace pages served from Google IP space with redirects to the Firefox download page. Or just a page presenting the problem and danger.
Or like an nginx plug-in. So many options.
Since most of Google’s revenue comes from tracking users across the internet and offering them personalized ads, it will be interesting to see how the company strikes a balance between user privacy and revenue generation.
Isn't it obvious? Google own's the proxies. And judging by the look of this, they are going to act as a a Man In The Middle for HTTPS, so they will be actually able to see everyone's plain text connections. This is not a privacy feature, but a privacy nightmare. Like everything else on Chrome, tbh.
Edit: I don't know if they will be breaking HTTPS or no, since I didn't see the details of how this works. But even if they don't see your plain text traffic, they are logging your every request, which is scary.
You can't MITM HTTPS with a VPN unless the browser accepts an insecure certificate. And that can't be done without being detected; and the security community would raise seven shades of hell.
Google has actually helped build the infrastructure that (in a public, provable way that Google can't subvert) makes it impossible to get away with MITM in this manner. It's called Certificate Transparency.
Put another way: Google wants other big companies and governments to use Chrome and Android. If Google started MITMing traffic like you suggest, no corporation or government would ever touch their products again. So they've built infra that lets them prove they don't.
They could use this to get more accurate figures about the popularity of different sites or services by IP and port. But they don't need to; they have search.
You can't MITM HTTPS with a VPN unless the browser accepts an insecure certificate.
Yes, but the browser is Chrome and this is a feature built into Chrome.
Guess, AMP didn't give them enough control over servers, now they also want to capture the clients.
Well that would be great if Google wasn't the main culprit trying to track me.
Is that really the best business plan they have now? Stop everyone else tracking you so their own data is worth more?
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So this is Google’s version of Microsoft tracking. Microsoft does it with Windows and Edge, Google does it with proxies. Sad.
I would wager that this is probably more of a response to iOS and Apple’s encrypted proxy “Private Relay” feature.
Google doesn’t care about Edge. If you look at the browser stats, mobile Safari is their major competitor. Especially in the states.
This will be great from a privacy perspective, because it will legitimize VPN endpoints.
If nothing else after your super private paranoid VPN journey, you could terminate the traffic in a Chrome proxy, and the other site wouldn't be able to discriminate against you.
So instead of the websites tracking me, it would just be google that does so. With much more control and detail than ever. And then google will sell that information to those websites for even mroe profit!
Well we know what'll happen to this service, especially if it works. https://killedbygoogle.com/
It gives google access to all the traffic statistics for users of chrome, not just those going via google. That's valuable marketing data. They also have made sure that nobody else can get that data - they have to buy it from google as they become the sole source of it.
That's why they want to do it.. nothing to do with 'privacy'.
Sounds like what Apple's been doing recently
This post seemed to put things in context a bit better as it sounds like Google's two-proxy hopping is what Apple does as well:
https://reddit.com/r/apple/comments/xo8ha0/_/iq5e40h/?context=1
The difference (AFAIK) is that Apple's business is less-centered around profiting off users' data, so they're less liable to use the data, while Google will almost certainly use the data.
That link makes it seem like Apple can’t read what you’re doing, so it’s different from Google.
This is where Private Relay comes in. When enabled, the addresses you visit are encrypted on your device, and then handed to Apple (who can’t read it - think of it as handing a sealed envelope to a letter carrier). Apple then passes these onto Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 DNS. Cloudflare only sees that they came from Apple, so they have no idea who the actual person is. In this sense, only Apple knows who you are, and only Cloudflare knows what website you visited, so it’s more private (unless both companies collude to match up the data). The technical term for this is Oblivious DNS over HTTPS.
True, but w/ a caveat at the bottom:
At the end of the day, you have to remember that Apple devices are essentially a sealed unit. Any claims they make about privacy cannot be proven - they could slip tracking and keyloggers into every device, and unless you build a device from scratch and program it yourself, there’s nothing you can do about it. You have to trust that they won’t do that, and Apple is in a relatively unique position (particularly compared to google and facebook) in that the business isn’t designed to profit from this, so they have no real reason to do so.
Google will soon start testing a new ‘IP protection’ feature for Chrome users, offering them greater control over their privacy. The tech giant the upcoming feature prevents websites from tracking users by hiding their IP address using proxy servers owned by Google.
Jesus fucking Christ...
I wonder how much Indianexpress gets paid for this bullshit advertisement.
This was actually the least-biased coverage of the day:
https://www.techmeme.com/231023/p18#a231023p18
THE FUCKING IRONY
So instead of giving random websites your general location, you give google everything you do on the web?
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I'm using Google's VPN now. They promised they won't look. Honestly I think a lot.more is leaked via the GBoard keyboard, but what do I know.
This would actually be good, because combined with encrypted client hello, a TLS connection to some website would only be identifiable by the IP and DNS queries. You don't have to use Google's DNS either.
So Google will basically see that you're connecting to a cloudflare hosted website or whatever the case is. Doesn't help much because they can't see encrypted data
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Curious to hear more opinions. I think there are technical nuances that I don't quite understand based on reading this comment (& subsequent replies)
https://mastodon.social/@ocdtrekkie/111281971968074869
It’s some high-level BS, is what it is.
A better way to protect privacy is to use a neutral, paid VPN; use Firefox with all the best blockers; and not sign into anything while doing searches.
Google is doing this so that they can see everything and so that others will have to pay them to see the everything they’ll have. Yes, it can “technically” be private from other parties, but Google’s bread and butter comes from collecting data and selling it. This is only a tool to collect even more data.
To quote the "article":
While the IP protection feature might enhance user privacy, the tech giant has clarified that it is not a foolproof system. If a hacker is able to gain access to Google’s proxy server, they will be able to analyse all traffic passing through the network and even redirect users to malicious websites.
This means that if a hacker can do this, then obviously the same goes for Google itself. Google will analyse all your online traffic data and use it for themselves. This isn't pro privacy, it's the complete opposite.
Yes, this is straight out deception, and another avenue of making other targeting based ad networks less useful.
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