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Animaleries is a 64pg book published by Fluide Glacial in 2015. It's chock full of flights of fancy like these, involving animals and familiar objects & scenarios.
Solé was first published in ~1971, evidently influenced by the psychedelic culture of the times. Some of his work is a bit much for me (the Frank Zappa 'dirty socks' piece comes to mind), but his draftsmanship and imagination are undeniably top notch.
More about him and his work here.
@Nacktmull@lemm.ee Bonsoir, mssr! I had a problem seeing the response beyond the one you wrote (example), but I'll go ahead and answer what I can see:
- Is writing a prompt for an AI a form of art?
I'm sorry, but unless it's a Steven Hawking-level prompt, it's quite challenging for me to truly consider the result "art." Sorry, let me amend that-- unless it's barely 1% of what Hawking might have come up with for a prompt, which would quite possibly have still been WAY more interesting than whatever the AI models pumped out. Heh.
- Is the resulting image a creation of the person who wrote the prompt, the people who developed the AI, the artists whose works the AI was trained on (often without those artists consent), or the AI itself?
Well for me, the trained art of the original artists exist on a plateau high... high above the coding gurus. Further down, in the smelly muck, exist the wretched prompt-generators. It's almost like a scenario from Dante's Inferno, lol.
That said-- I feel like the writing is on the dang'ol wall. I.e., my view is becoming antiquated, and the younger gen and new AI are increasingly tossing the views of us 'old fuddy-duddies' out to the curb. :-(
I’m sorry, but unless it’s a Steven Hawking-level prompt, it’s quite challenging for me to truly consider the result “art.” Sorry, let me amend that-- unless it’s barely 1% of what Hawking might have come up with for a prompt, which would quite possibly have still been WAY more interesting than whatever the AI models pumped out. Heh.
Agreed, I would even go as far as saying that writing a prompt can not be art, no matter how well written. I tend to think so, because the process of AI image generation is so complex, that while it is not actually random, in practice the process is a black box to the person writing the prompt. That makes the process virtually non-deterministic from the prompt-writers perspective. Thus writing a prompt is closer to guessing around and choosing the best of the random results, then to actually creating something, based on ones own creative vision. If at all the results are created based on the creative vision of the artists the AI was trained on and in the process those artists visions have been put into a blender and mixed into a non recognizable pulp.
Well for me, the trained art of the original artists exist on a plateau high… high above the coding gurus. Further down, in the smelly muck, exist the wretched prompt-generators. It’s almost like a scenario from Dante’s Inferno, lol.
I could not have said it better but I am also sure in the future, people who do nothing more than writing prompts, will start labeling themselves "prompt artists". However, what I could actually respect as a form of art, would be a person or collective, which develops their own AI, codes it by themselves, then personally chooses certain material to train the AI on (with consent of the creators instead of just auto crawling the web for random images) and then writes prompts for it. Compared to just prompt writing, this method would require serious effort in what I would call proper craftsmanship and even more important, the process would become more deterministic, so the results would be significantly based on the prompt writers creative vision instead of a seemingly random process.
That said-- I feel like the writing is on the dang’ol wall. I.e., my view is becoming antiquated, and the younger gen and new AI are increasingly tossing the views of us ‘old fuddy-duddies’ out to the curb. :-(
I am not worried about that, just think of music made with acoustic instruments, vinyl records, analog tube guitar amplifiers and so on. The good stuff usually stays around no matter what new stuff gets invented, sure a technology might lose it's cultural dominance but will stay state of the art for the connoisseurs and often some time after that, when people get tired with the new stuff, it even has a mainstream revival.
Edit: There is already a counter movement, check this out: This new data poisoning tool lets artists fight back against generative AI
Thanks for the link. Data obfuscation seems like a noble effort, altho way too easy to work around in the end. Or maybe that's just my cynical take, haha.
I like your idea of an artist using a self-generative type of AI to create custom art. I *think*. I mean, I'm still not very happy about the whole situation, but your idea makes the most sense to me. Far better than the current situation, anyway.
I am not worried about that, just think of music made with acoustic instruments, vinyl records, analog tube guitar amplifiers and so on. The good stuff usually stays around no matter what new stuff gets invented, sure a technology might lose it’s cultural dominance but will stay state of the art for the connoisseurs and often some time after that, when people get tired with the new stuff, it even has a mainstream revival.
You're probably right. I think I just wanted to bitch and moan, today! >(
I think I just wanted to bitch and moan, today!
No problem man, just let it out!
Bro did AI art before it was cool
Bro did AI art before it was cool
AI made pictures
Honestly, that hurts. This guy started coming up with this excellent stuff in the 70's, and now it's just 'AI imitation' stuff..?
You guys DO know the story about the chicken and the egg, right?
Dude chill it's just a joke lmao
hohoho :D
I know it´s tame by today's standards but I find this extremely weird and surreal. Fascinating!
Tame? Hmm, that's interesting. Dare I ask for examples?
I think part of why I admire these is because I'm something of an amateur zoologist who ordinarily feels protective of animals and habitats, but this guy's amazing penwork, proportions and attention to details really won me over.
So-- looking through the book makes me a bit uncomfortable at times, but I also feel like the man put a level of loving care in to these crazy... "caricatures," or whatever they're best called.
Tame? Hmm, that’s interesting. Dare I ask for examples?
I was thinking of stuff like HR Giger but also AI generated images. I generally don´t post AI generated stuff though. I can´t figure out how to post images in comments from my lemm.ee account btw, otherwise I´d put a nice classic HR Giger here for you.
I think part of why I admire these is because I’m something of an amateur zoologist who ordinarily feels protective of animals and habitats, but this guy’s amazing penwork, proportions and attention to details really won me over.
Yeah, the guy could easily have been an illustrator of biology books.
So-- looking through the book makes me a bit uncomfortable at times, but I also feel like the man put a level of loving care in to these crazy… “caricatures,” or whatever they’re best called.
I know exactly what you mean. I get a little uncomfortable too when looking at the fusion of living bodies and technology. When I look at this it´s of course just a gentle impulse, far from a HR Giger level of severe discomfort, but it´s the same direction.
Oh, Giger, right! And he's Swiss, so hopefully we can have a post(s) about his work here one day. Btw, have you tried this code to post images in comments?
You know I once did a little sketch of what a Giger piece might look like if rendered in wood. I'll PM you a page of my sketches if you're interested.
Btw, the issue of AI stuff has been a bit of a head-scratcher for me. I have a few watercolor / ligne claire-type pieces that I was thinking of posting, but various factors kind of hold me back..
Oh, Giger, right! And he’s Swiss, so hopefully we can have a post(s) about his work here one day.
I am all for mixing in different kinds of artists and I really like the idea of a primarily comic art focused community that is also open to other forms of art, especially when there is some connection to comics. HR Giger had such a strong impact on Monster design in all kinds of sci-fi and fantasy. His impact goes far beyond the Alien movies and comic books.
Btw, have you tried this code to post images in comments?
Thank you! No I had not and it works perfectly. May I ask how you came up with this?
You know I once did a little sketch of what a Giger piece might look like if rendered in wood. I’ll PM you a page of my sketches if you’re interested.
Cool! Let´s see it!
Btw, the issue of AI stuff has been a bit of a head-scratcher for me. I have a few watercolor / ligne claire-type pieces that I was thinking of posting, but various factors kind of hold me back…
I think AI generated material getting posted can easily become problematic, especially for a small community that is focused on hand drawn art content like ours. The problem is that with AI, users can effortlessly create an endless stream of generic AI generated material, which will - just by it´s sheer amount - easily drown out all original content in a community. I would actually consider banning AI generated images.
I am all for mixing in different kinds of artists and I really like the idea of a primarily comic art focused community that is also open to other forms of art, especially when there is some connection to comics.
I feel that way too. And you know, little by little I've been trying to refine the sidebar text to make it less wordy and more clearer of purpose, and one of the changes was to point out that art was welcome, too, along the lines you just mentioned.
HR Giger had such a strong impact on Monster design in all kinds of sci-fi and fantasy. His impact goes far beyond the Alien movies and comic books.
Interesting. I hadn't really thought about or noticed that too much, but I may not have been looking at good examples of such. Really, it would be almost impossible for his work not to have been widely influential, tho.
May I ask how you came up with this?
In the little bar of mini-icons above the comment space, the one on the right, "formatting help," takes you to this page. ( I linked that specifically because IIRC when one hits that button directly, one's unposted comment text gets wiped out :/ )
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Btw, the above code is also useful, as it lets a user pop out an image to see greater detail, as opposed to zooming in. And a little tip-- when in doubt as to how a user did something interesting in their post / comment, you can go to the three little dots (bottom right) and select the "view source" button.
I'll continue with the AI talk and sketch link in a PM. In the meanwhile, some food for thought is right here in our community, in which I debated a very big fan of AI art across a few comments:
Interesting. I hadn’t really thought about or noticed that too much, but I may not have been looking at good examples of such. Really, it would be almost impossible for his work not to have been widely influential, tho.
Giger had great influence on games too. One example that comes to mind is R-Type, one of my favourite classic video game series. The first boss looks like this:
This is the last boss:
I miss that game, might install MAME later
Btw, the above code is also useful, as it lets a user pop out an image to see greater detail, as opposed to zooming in.
Sounds like a good idea. I will try it out
when in doubt as to how a user did something interesting in their post / comment, you can go to the three little dots (bottom right) and select the “view source” button
Thank you! It´s really very helpful. I can finally put images in comments and not just in posts, while using my lemm.ee account
In the meanwhile, some food for thought is right here in our community, in which I debated a very big fan of AI art across a few comments:
Interesting discussion you had there and very good arguments were made on both sides. However, after reading it my main questions remain.
Is writing a prompt for an AI a form of art?
Is the resulting image a creation of the person who wrote the prompt, the people who developed the AI, the artists whose works the AI was trained on (often without those artists consent), or the AI itself?
AI made pictures