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I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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[–] Aphroditusss@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

This thread has to be a bait

[–] Surp@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

I know this is a Linux /c/ but maybe youre just not educated in windows is all. I use Mac windows and Linux and can play games on them all. I don't find any of them hard to use but again I make it a point to use them all so I don't ever have to be apart of the communitys that hate one or the other. I like them all it's fun.

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago

I'm a Windows user at home because there are two games that aren't supported on Linux. However I run Linux on a second SSD as i hope to move away from Windows one day.

Windows just works. When I install Linux it all looks great until I start to use it and find small issues. Like my Yubikey doesn't work so I can't get into certain websites. Once I install another app I get that working and then spend an hour trying to get the Bitwarden desktop client to work. I result in a forum post before being told that security keys are not supported by the application and Linux. It's a Windows only feature currently.
Videos in Firefox lag. I've done nothing special with the OS, this is Firefox that is installed with the OS. I'm yet to fix this but also yet to investigate the issue.

Every time I use Linux I first have to fix things to get it working. I've never had this with Windows. I'm sure people will down vote me to hell, with this being a Linux community, but that's just my experience.

[–] aledo@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Meanwhile, I invested a solid 30hrs over 2 weeks of troubleshooting, researching, and getting help from users in order to have 4k120 on Fedora, something that supposedly works for my configuration. And no worky.

I really really wanted 2023 to be the year I finally migrated, but basic functionality being inexplicably broken just isn't it.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 years ago

At that point, I think it's fair to send said family member to Geek Squad and explain that you can't invest any more time in the project.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 15 points 2 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm gathering that you're a bit upset.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I'm normally a calm guy but anything involving windows makes me so frustrated. The thing doesn't even install without a wifi connection, and once you have been forced by Microsoft to provide your private, sensitive wifi details to their corporate shit cloud, you have like 20 dialog boxes to click where they want to fuck you over as much as possible.

Now after using Linux for so long, I can't even stand the way Microsoft or Google write to us in their services. The language is so incredibly lame.

[–] nookii@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's shitty that they make you do this, but you can actually install windows fine without a network connection by using Shift+F10 to open a command prompt during the startup flow, then typing oobe\bypassnro, which will restart the startup flow with a new option to setup without wifi.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi 13 points 2 years ago

They keep making this more and more difficult. Used to be you could just choose between yes and no. Then they made it so you can only choose between yes and no if you don't have an ethernet cable connected. Now you have to use a hidden key combination and type in a secret command.

Soon you'll only be able to install without an internet connection by downloading a special ISO with a hidden download link. Soon after that they'll restrict said ISO to some insider program.

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I'd say that stuff like this happens less often on windows, but it's also worse when it does because you have fewer resources to fix problems when you do run into them

[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's not Windows, it's either a firmware or hardware issue. Windows installs very quickly actually, nowadays, but of course it's full of ad tracking etc.

Remove the graphics card and any other extras. Just start with the motherboard, power supply, RAM and hard drive. Try install it. It should work. If not, it may be a motherboard issue. You may have to boot into the bios and see if the firmware can be updated, check secure boot, UEFI etc.

Reset the bios to factory and try again.

Once windows is installed. Install the graphics card driver, then shut it down, install the card, move the HDMI over to the card and boot. It should work.

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[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I get this feeling, but with iOS. Oh, I want to save a picture I found on the internet and message it. It's incredibly unintuitive to me and I feel like a grandma, even though on any other platform it would be easy.

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[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unless you are literally retarded I can't see how you can have that much trouble with windows.

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Avoiding expressions like "fucking god", "fucking fuck", "fucking bullshit", would help your argument.

While I agree with the premise, that Windows is indeed more untidy, clunky and counterintuitive than GNOME and KDE Plasma, still it is not harder to install.

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[–] zikk_transport2@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Least offensive linux user

[–] RichardButt89@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

This is absolute nonsense. Getting windows up and running is stupid easy.

[–] Cornelius@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I'm really surprised at how much people are ripping on Linux here at lemmy. It's completely justified, I agree that Linux still needs some polish in a few areas before it can REPLACE windows, but I would've figured lemmy to be a bit more... I dunno red pilled and biased towards Linux.

I daily Fedora for ALL my games pretty much, save for Metro Redux: Enhanced Edition and SteamVR titles. Games with anticheat that don't work on Linux? I don't play them anymore, if they don't wanna play ball that's fine.

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[–] eroc1990@lemmy.parastor.net 10 points 2 years ago

I'm still using Windows on my gaming rig, and Pop on my laptop, and each have their own quirks.

[–] aGeN@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wiped windows and installed Linux back in 2004 and never looked back.
Now im only forced to use windows in work, constantly asking my work mates how to do this n that on it. I sure they think im sine sort computer illiterate numpty with no clue.

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[–] WeThePilgrims@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're going to hear a lot of people saying how straight forward Windows is install; I'm avoiding W11 so have my W10 anecdote.

The only way I've ever been able to install W10 is to disconnect every single peripheral except m/kb and one single drive.

Anything else over the years, be it different mobos, HDD,SSD m.2 thingies it's always been the same; anything more than m/kb and one single disk W10 shits the bed.

If you're still struggling, try that.

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[–] zer0@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 years ago

People think window is easier because that's what they are used to. If all schools in a city were to suddenly drop windows and switch to linux you would see microsoft coming at them with donations and offering free deals. It already happened more than once.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Idk what to tell you buddy but you’re fucking up something super simple. I say this as a person who manages an IT department that maintains thousands of windows PCs for the end users to use.

If you’re struggling this hard to install windows and one application, it’s on you

[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 9 points 2 years ago

I'm gonna doubt this one. I've done several installs of various debian-based distros and a full reinstall of Windows 10 recently, and I feel confident in saying that, to have this much difficulty installing Windows, you would either have to be using a corrupt image or damn near tech illiterate.

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