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[–] Tiger_Man_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 113 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 30 points 22 hours ago

Not to mention the actual pioneer of generic-text languages, the inventor of the compiler, Grace Hopper.

https://www.biography.com/scientist/grace-hopper

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 12 points 21 hours ago

I highly doubt the consequences of Dennis Richie not existing. Yes, his work was foundational, but he didn't do it on his own, and if he wasn't around, someone else would've filled in.

The same is true for Steve Jobs. In fact, most of his contribution was being a jerk to people so his ideas won. He had a clear vision, but his internal implementation was... iffy.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My crusading teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

well one is good at selling stuff including himself

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The truth of genius is its only momentary and usually highly specific.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only fanboys. The same kind that worship Musk or any other fellated-by-the-press CEO as some kind of hero. They softball any criticisms and turn them into positives - “He murdered a bunch of kids, but the creativity he got from the blood splatter and time spent in court-ordered community service got us this addictive device we’re all fawning over…let’s justify the ridiculous price and wait in line for one!” Something about objectively shitty people heading up organizations seems to attract sycophants and bootlickers.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 21 hours ago

Only fanboys.

Oh I wish. It’s more like 2/3 of American society, and I’m sure plenty of others around the world. But if you wanted to cast a wide net and call them fanboys of the rich, I guess that’s fair.

If you are worth billions, and even moreso if you are a business leader and therefore “earned” those billions, then “worship” is the right word. They are not just good people, but the greatest among us who should be put in charge of everything. (Enter our new emperor)

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I remember reading a story a while back about the documentary they were making on him. He had his special diet of juices and supplements and whatnot, which he claimed helped him while his liver was failing. The actor who portrayed him started following the same diet to better get in character. Only then he collapsed on set with liver problems. They did a full medical work up and basically told him whatever you're doing stop doing it because it's killing you. He went back to his normal diet and he was fine. Raising the serious question, did Steve Jobs outsmart himself to death? If he had given up all the diets and supplements and whatnot might he have lived?

If he had pursued modern medical treatments rather than a sugar filled diet he might have lived. He would have to have stepped down though and he did not want to do that.

He would also have to admit he was completely wrong about his diet and that he absolutely did not want to do as it was tied to some dumbass "philosophy" he followed.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

If "outsmart" is ignore people who know things because you believe you know everything....yes

A better description would be that he treated his body the way he treated his employees. Or he let himself believe his own reality distortion field. "Outsmart" is not the word I'd choose for a narcissistic asshole who thinks he knows better but in fact does not.

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[–] UniversalMonk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Well they do sorta have a point. Even Jobs said he shouldn't have ignored treatment for so long.

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[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 161 points 1 day ago (22 children)

There is a distinct type of person, very good at one thing, that is unable to understand that doesn’t translate to the rest of their life. Easiest to describe them as a high int, low wis character.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And by good at one thing you mean exploiting people and gaslighting the media.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 51 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Still incredible that people bought into "half the features twice the price" Apple products so hard that it corrupted the entire industry

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

I will give him credit he turned computers and phones into fashion accessories. He is closer to Coco Chanel than any tech visionary. If you think about it his methods were closer to QAnon or flat earth people. You can sell some people anything if you can convince them they are better than other people if they follow you. I am still salty about him overshadowed Dennis Richie's passing who was a real tech visionary.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Steve Jobs, Edison, Elon are all similar to me as they used smart people and took most of the credit. Westinghouse at least for the time treated his employees above average.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I used to work as a court clerk and judges are like this. You cannot tell them anything because if they get it into their heads that they know better than you then they will completely ignore reality in favor of their own, largely arbitrary, fictional universe.

The best incentive ever not to commit a crime is to find out how utterly dysfunctional the legal system is.

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[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 130 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The behind the bastards episode will teach you a lot about this piece of shit. Wozniak is the genius, this is just another predatory businessman. Good riddance.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yknow, while I 90% agree with you there seems to be some element between the technical genius (Wozniak) and the idiot businessman that is Tim Apple.

Jobs may have been a piece of shit but there’s something to be said for the uncompromising non-technical focus on UX that allowed Jobs to make the iPhone a success.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Sure Wozniak invented the Apple I and II. But if he never met Jobs his inventions would have stayed a hobby and Apple would have never existed. Woz also didn’t push for an OS with a GUI (which was revolutionary back then) that was Jobs’ idea. Not to mention that Woz had nothing to do with Apple’s comeback. He has been an honorary employee since Jobs was fired. Woz is a genius but people give him way too much credit just like they do with Jobs.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 7 points 23 hours ago

"Invent" is the wrong term, it's "design".

a new idea is an invention, the implementation is a design.

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[–] Michal@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Wow, they made 4 episodes about him, each over an hour long.

Haven't listened to Behind The Bastards but will give this one a listen.

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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine how insufferable he would be today.

[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Couldn't be worse than Muskrat.

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

Thought Apples would save him back.

[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 51 points 1 day ago (5 children)

He believed in apple until his end. Hey-0!

[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He died as he lived, trying to beat PC with Apple.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It's unfortunate because his leadership / sense of taste is what made Apple a powerhouse. Under Tim Apple, the software has languished. They're great at hardware and the software is far from great. What a shame.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

"leadership" by which you mean being abusive to his colleagues and refusing to take a shower.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

He was a dick, but he had a good mind for products. He wasn't infallible, but he had a sense of taste that was useful in driving others who had greater skills than he.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

Eh, I feel like Jobs was in charge when he could create new products.

Outside of a different Apple Watch launch, I don't see Jobs really having the ability to create new innovative products.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah computers were doubling in speed every 18 months back then. And there were competing products oftentimes years before Apple put out their version. Apple primarily put a lot of polish onto the technological innovations that were happening at the time.

Don't get me wrong polish is really important. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player or the smartphone. But the MP3 players before the iPod were really fiddley and janky. BlackBerries had a downright primitive look and feel next to an iPhone.

Also marketing... a lot of people didn't know MP3 players existed until they saw advertisements for the iPod.

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