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[–] what_is_a_name@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I only know western countries but from those I’d say Germany and Switzerland.

It’s highly respected in Germany to have a low online profile - pay in cash, stay off online systems.

I feel it’s similar in Switzerland - just with military training, more guns, mined bridges and nazi gold.

[–] nottheengineer@feddit.de 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The current german government is trying to build a surveillance state and force chat apps into adding backdoors to their encryption and the culture is shifting for the worse with stuff like tiktok still growing.

Right now I'd say switzerland is better in the privacy department (and a few other ones, but that's beside the point).

[–] what_is_a_name@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be honest. If you’re online you should expect to be compromised. If you want to be privacy obsessed- focus on countries that allow you to be offline. That is an aspect Germany and Switzerland are a bit unique.

By comparison Scandinavia has a high degree of trust in government and everything is online and connected. It’s convenient but also - if you do not trust your data on the government’s hands - you’re not gonna like it here.

Germany allows you to be more … disconnected.

[–] nottheengineer@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

If the past two decades have shown me anything, it's that I definitely don't want my data in any government's hands.

How is scandinavia more connected? I know cash is dying out everywhere but here and that everyone's earnings are public, but those aren't too important to me. Private communication and browsing (and generally not being spied on) are what I mostly care about.

They try but always get fucked raw in the ass by courts... Sad that Achsel Voss wasn't found by some criminal until now. That sorry excuse of a human is driving this shit together with a hand full of other assholes.

[–] opt9@feddit.ch 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Privacy is diametrically opposed to the ability to control the people you rule over, so no state is privacy friendly. There are only degrees of extremism. The poorer countries are more privacy friendly in the world because they lack the resources to spy on everything. If they could they would spy more.

[–] spacedancer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was gonna say this as well. You can go 2 opposite directions. You can go for a country like Switzerland which has a lot of privacy rules in place. It generally protects you from malicious non-state actors. But you can also go the other way with a developing country whose government does not have the means or capability to monitor you. The tradeoff is your data on government systems is probably already compromised, just not by the government itself.

[–] opt9@feddit.ch 1 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately Switzerland has no power. They were bullied out of the private banking they were famous for and they will get bullied whenever they have info that some other western state wants. Anyway, the privacy benefits they offer are mostly cosmetic. No ruler wants privacy. When we understand that, then we can stop looking for things that don't exist and start creating solutions.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

If the GDPR would actually be enforced every time a situation calls for it, if the EU Commission wasn't made of technologically inept idiots, and if Irelands DPC would stop protecting Meta, then anywhere in the EU.

That's a lot of ifs though

[–] ratz@chatsubo.hiteklolife.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How to quantify that?

Number of surveillance cameras per square km?

Being members of international intelligence sharing networks?

Data protection laws in place? Level of enforcement?

Not sure theres an easy answer to the question, I think you'd have to put together data based on a wide set of criteria, and even then you would only be able to work off publically accessible/known info

Why do you ask? Did your government put a camera in your bathroom?

[–] wtry@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm looking to move from the US because of their increasing wish to mimic China's great firewall.

[–] senoro@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Increasing? Brother if the US government wants to know what you are looking at its already over for you. They can know everything about you in like 5 minutes.

[–] ratz@chatsubo.hiteklolife.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm Aussie and I don't really closely follow the news, but that sounds more like a censorship problem than a privacy one? Even the Chinese find a way around the wall though. My governments been trying to protect its citizens from the horrors of the open internet for decades, they're... not good at it. I understand the desire for more freedom though.

[–] wtry@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

While it is a censorship one now, the only way to enforce it would be pretty heavy surveillance.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] opt9@feddit.ch 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm gonna assume you're being funny

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

No I'm just an ignorant American. I meant Switzerland. The other land.