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Was listening to Schraeger on Bill Simmons and Bill asks him why offenses look so bad, his reply is bad QB play and bad Oline play.... to me it is the complete opposite

What has the most common NFL pass play been since the start of the 2022 season? QB drops back, finds no one open down field, dumps it off to a back or a tight end who leaked out way in front of the sticks and they cross their fingers he can break a few tackles and get the first down

In the past few weeks alone think of how many times you have seen teams get to the red zone, qb's have all day, and then they take a sack or throw the ball out of the end of the end zone because nobody got open

So my question is.... what have they learned over the past couple of years? It really seemed to start in 2021 when teams started playing KC passively with 2 deep safeties on every drop back, then Lou pulled out the drop 8 in the 2nd half of the AFC Championship game and it seems to have spread all across the league

But... it isn't like this is the first time anyone has thought 'don't give up big plays' and 'keep receivers in front of you' so why has it become so effective?

As a casual observer without all 22 there is only so much I can see... but one thing I feel like I am seeing is maybe they are just way way better at passing off receivers from one area of a zone to another... sort of a Temple style zone with man to man principles (shout out to Bill Raftery)

So instead of in a cover 2 the corner jamming the receiver and then there being a huge chunk of space between where the corner covered him to where the safety would pick him up now it feels like maybe the corner is sticking with him like its man and there is a smooth transition to the safety picking him up, very little window between the change

Anyone else noticing anything else? By the way this wasn't meant to be a shot at Simmons or Schraeger... I consume a lot of NFL media content and its not like anyone else has brought this up

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[–] gmil3548@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Must’ve been really tricky to figure out since defensive genius^TM Brandon Staley has his secondary getting roasted every week

[–] KCShadows838@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Defenses actually had been playing the Chiefs with two deep religiously since 2020

It’s just that we didn’t perform well against it for a large chunk of 2021, in fact we didn’t perform well against many things that year

[–] TywinShitsGold@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It’s bad OL play and bad QB. Whoever you were listening to is 100% right. And it’s obvious on tape.

When corners only have to cover for 3-4 seconds max bc the OL breaks down or the the QB bails, they can take more risks. It only seems like they secondaries are better, but it’s directly related to the front 7 play.

Front 7s aren’t better than ever, they’re just lined up against worse players.

[–] Rapidceltic@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

PI and defensive holding calls are way, way down. What have secondaries learned? They can grab and hold again.

[–] Cptredbeard22@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. Bill is right. And other coaches have said the same thing.

[–] No_Jackfruit_890@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Oh ya, the other coaches who never say anything useful to the general public?

You aren't making the case you think you are

[–] RavensReign52@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Mahomes. He's been totally figured out

[–] zachtaylorr@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oline talent being at an all-time low right now is absolutely the main reason for this

[–] No_Jackfruit_890@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

We are watching different things then

How often do you see QB's in 2023 take a 3 or 5 step drop, hit their plant foot, and throw in rhythm to the receiver the play was designed for?

Its frigging rare

What you see is QB's dropping back, having their first and second reads be locked down, and dumping it off to a back or tight end or receiver in the flat

How many series are 1st and 10, 2nd and 6, 3rd and 2.... in a pass happy league that isn't how this generally works

[–] Fathermazeltov@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

More athletic lbs that can drop in coverage better has helped the secondaries tremendously. Overall the defense is becoming much more long and athletic as a unit.

[–] TheJackalsDoom@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think the overall tendency is to play more averse. Don't blitz, because a mobile QB will run on you. Don't bring the secondary up, because a deep ball will burn you. Keep everything in the middle as much as possible. The more times an offense has to take a snap, the more times an error will occur even on the most routine of plays. If an offense scores a TD on a 15 play, 8 minute drive, hey man, they earned that. But if they scored on a 4 play, 1:30 drive, you messed up and will get your D gassed by the end of the game. Take away the big plays, make them earn it. I think there's a lot less "we do what we do" on D these days, with D's taking away what offenses do best instead of the older, hard headed way of "our best guy on their best guy and let them play".