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    [–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

    I'm of the opinion that if you're a newbie to Linux and want to use a more GUI-centric distro, then be my guest, telling someone to jump straight into something like Arch when they're just ditching Windows for the first time is more likely to just turn them off Linux forever.

    That said, as said newbie gets more comfortable with the terminal, Arch is there if they want more of a challenge, and even then with archinstall, the main difficult part is effectively nullified, although for more advanced, long-term users, fully manual installation is still there on the Arch ISO as an option, but I'd be more likely to point them to something like Debian or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed to start with as those are generally more beginner-friendly than Arch is.

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    [–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    I think it's fine to have some less commonly used actions be only accessible through a terminal, even on more user-friendly distros. That is basically what Minecraft does, and yet no one's scared of that.

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    [–] HStone32@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Counterpoint: why should the standard for "just works" mean no CLI? What if distro maintainers decide that their user's experience is improved by relegating some tasks to the shell?

    [–] accideath@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (14 children)

    Because knowing terminal commands is neither accessible nor feasible for the average computer user. It might be more efficient, if you take the time to learn it but the average computer user doesn’t want to spend that extra time. They want everything to be accessible and to be easy.

    Linux should always have the choice to use the terminal. But if you want the day of the Linux desktop to actually arrive some day, you need at least a couple of distros that don’t require you to know what a package manager is.

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    [–] Zink@programming.dev 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    I learned the command line on Sun Solaris Unix in the 90s, after messing with DOS first. At work I have a terminal open all the time, though I'll use GUI versions of some things too.

    I use mint btw.

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    [–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 5 days ago

    There's an OS that doesn't require command line use to do anything slightly advanced? That hasn't been my experience.

    [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

    What if... You trolled someone by installing Linux, but with a GUI that 100% mimics Windows? πŸ€”

    Actually, fuck trolling. I want this. Gimme the OG Windows 95 GUI for KDE/Gnome.

    [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    there are KDE mods that makes it look and feel exactly like windows 10. ill post if i find it again.

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    [–] imetators@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    I run 2 systems. One is HTPC with LM, the other is dual boot Windows / bazzite. I like LM and bazzite. I like it very much. But maaaaan, I had problems setting up.

    LM was totally fine except for when I was trying to set up pihole, screwed some steps and tried to remove it by terminal. It somehow corrupted OS so every time I'd try to login it would crash and prompt to login again. So far it is running fine but I had issues with pihole again when I tried to update it to v6. This time it corrupted pihole itself but I have managed to restore and update it. I guess reason is that pihole doesn't support LM put of the box and requires some tinkering to install.

    Bazzite, on the other hand, is totally fine now. I guess that was something related to a recent update. But before that it wouldn't load. Like screen would be black but terminal would be still accessible. I have figured out that it would crash loading gaming mode and stuck there (but I didn't tell it to boot to gaming mode) so I had to manually make it boot to desktop mode (kde) in terminal every time. If you think that I have screwed something up again - nope. Fresh install on a separate ssd. It installs and then would reuse to boot or boot after like half an hour into kde. All the rpm ostree -update or -upgrade did nothing.

    I love these both systems but maaaaan if a basic user has to experience what I had, they'd stick to mac/windows for the rest of their life.

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