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    They'll cast you back to the Windows realm with all their toxic might (discuss.tchncs.de)
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    [โ€“] andros_rex@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    What scares me is that Iโ€™ve tried to hook multiple โ€œgeekierโ€ teenagers on Linux, and they arenโ€™t interested. Even the math-y ones donโ€™t know the difference between an operating system and a browser. My main computer is Arch with xmonad and it disturbs and confuses them.

    We have a lost generation when it comes to computers. Lots of the little geeks that would have been playing around in the registry or learning powershell 15 years ago are so stuck in walled gardens that they donโ€™t even know thereโ€™s a world outside of them.

    [โ€“] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

    that's because an emphasis was made to be productive on technology, not imaginative while they were kids.

    [โ€“] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

    To be fair, Windows really hasn't pushed Powershell all that much. They haven't even fully ported over all of Command Prompt's commands. You have to prefix those with .\ (I think; it's been a while) in order to get them to run even though the error message that comes up if you don't include that will tell you, "Hey, there's a command named this. Prefix it with that to use it."

    Now, instead of simply porting everything over, they have one app (named Terminal) running both programs.

    [โ€“] harmsy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I have no idea what CLI is. I just use Mint and don't put much thought in.

    [โ€“] letsgo@lemm.ee 8 points 22 hours ago

    It's an abbreviation for Command Line Interface To Objects Residing In System. A lot of male programmers can't find it.

    [โ€“] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I think it's the Linux equivalent of Windows Command Prompt.

    [โ€“] harmsy@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

    Oh, that thing. I have used that in the past, but it's been a while since I've needed to.

    [โ€“] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

    Windows Command Prompt/Powershell is a CLI, Linux's is called Terminal

    Command Line Interface - an interface method to your computer using lines of text

    [โ€“] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 1 points 48 minutes ago

    Huh. Never realized that. I've only ever heard Linux users call it CLI, so I just assumed it was what most Linux users called the Terminal. And I assumed Terminal was the generic name since Mac also has a Terminal app.

    Also, side note: it's called Terminal on Windows now, too. Windows unified their Powershell and Command Prompt programs into a single app (on the surface, at least). You can open either Powershell or Command Prompt using tabs in the app.

    [โ€“] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago

    I had to learn cli and server linuxes as part of uni but i haven't used them for my fedora other than nvidia drivers and things windows users need to install putty and winscp for. It's nice.

    [โ€“] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Remember to build everything from source

    [โ€“] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 22 hours ago

    Nah, Tarballs are delicious!

    Compiling is only needed to solve dependencies when you get caught in rpm hell.

    [โ€“] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

    Grew up with ms-dos. Spent half my career in telnet and ssh consoles.

    When I just want to play Balatro at the end of a long day fuck any system that requires more than click click to get me in.

    That's why I'm switching to Linux when windows 10 is no longer supported because fuck win 11 and the amount of regedits it's gonna take to get that working.

    [โ€“] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    I can understand people not wanting to learn a ton of CLIs, I cannot understand people refusing to use any at all. They have the distinct advantage that you can copy + paste stuff, whereas in Windows you sometimes have to follow like a dozen steps to do whatever you want to do in a 2000s GUI.

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    [โ€“] klu9@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

    A meme is a great way to avoid their fury; Lynx doesn't show images.

    [โ€“] fell@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 1 day ago (43 children)

    A true mainstream Linux distro would need guidelines like this:

    • The user is never be expected to type a command into a terminal.
    • The user is never be expected to edit a configuration file.
    • There is a graphical UI for every possible action the user might want to (or have to) do.

    This especially includes:

    • Configuring audio devices
    • Installing graphics drivers
    • Updating the operating system
    • Managing applications and storage space
    • Connecting to networked storage
    • Adjusting kernel parameters (This is neccessary on certain hardware, yet, barely any distro has a graphical UI for it.)

    The only distro that comes close to this is Linux Mint, but not even Mint covers everything I just mentioned.

    If we want Linux to succeed, there needs to be at least one distro that confidently ships without a terminal.

    [โ€“] oshu@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

    I've been a happy daily linux user for over 20 years. No need to wait for "linux to succeed" whatever that means. It has gotten better and more advanced every year since I first switched.

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    [โ€“] oo1@lemmings.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    It's open source, they can just make their own distro.

    [โ€“] Jarix@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

    And that attitude is why Linux is struggling to gain market cap imho.

    Yes they can, but maybe we need to embrace those who arent tech saavy?

    Saying if you dont like it, go do your own thing is not very welcoming.

    We should encourage people to create their own distribution, but maybe welcome people with open arms first, guide them to a flavour that works for them, and then encourage them to learn how to make it exactly what they want

    Edit: ~~Market capture~~ > market share

    [โ€“] rbos@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Market cap? Which stock symbol is it? ๐Ÿ˜‰

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    [โ€“] noxypaws@pawb.social 16 points 1 day ago

    I believe Linux distros aimed at nontechnical users should strive to not need a user to ever use a terminal, but I also believe folks should be encouraged to try them anyways.

    [โ€“] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    An at least superficial understanding of the cli is an essential part of using linux. If you don't ever want to use a cli, what are you doing pursuing linux? Do you just want a free version of windows? Go pirate windows.

    [โ€“] accideath@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I pursue Linux because I want a FOSS OS and its privacy and security benefits, not because I want to tinker and learn the CLI.

    I mean, I do want to tinker and I have learned the CLI but it's not why I pursue Linux.

    [โ€“] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

    I guess I should have written "If you want to never have to use a cli" instead of "If you don't ever want to use a cli", as I didn't mean you have to want to use a cli to use linux. I meant that one has to be OK with using a cli, accepting of the fact that they have to use a cli.

    [โ€“] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    โ€œI donโ€™t want to learn/use the CLIโ€ is equivalent to saying โ€œI only want to use features that have a GUIโ€, which you can already do on any operating system (including Linux).

    [โ€“] OrekiWoof@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

    No, it means not needing terminal to have a usable system or to fix it

    even Windows sometimes doesn't meet this

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