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I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all

But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don't think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i'm not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?

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[–] Joker@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I wouldn’t because I like it better here. It’s easier to engage because it’s not so huge and there’s less toxicity. I like the software better and that nobody is trying to push certain content in front of me or trying to get me to spend more time on the site. I’ll still go to Reddit on occasion, but that will be because it’s useful for finding information. It won’t be because I want to be part of that community.

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

I switched to Reddit when I made a decision I'm done with the big corpo like Meta and I deleted all my social media accounts including WhatsApp. I got Signal and convinced all my friends and family to do the same so now I have a fully functioning social circle there. I moved from Reddit to Lemmy now because I realised that Reddit is more or less the same - the answer to most of the internet issues atm is open source/decentralised services. So I moved here. Still missing a lot of stuff from Reddit though - mostly thriving meme communities...

[–] kethali@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

At this point - nothing. I've been less and less happy with that place lately, and this is just the final push. Hopefully I'll find a lot of the same things either here, or somewhere else, or just not at all I guess.

[–] missingno@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm not gone yet and I don't know if I actually will be. No matter how frustrated I am with the platform and have been for years now, I don't feel that anything else is ready to replace it.

I wish Lemmy the best but I have my doubts as to how well it'll take off. I remember when Digg died, Reddit was already popular enough to make jumping ship a no brainer for just about everyone. Lemmy is not there yet, and I don't know if it ever will be. It's much smaller than Mastodon/Fediverse, and that's been very slow to pull users away from the even more hated platform it wants to challenge. Can Lemmy achieve the critical mass it needs to succeed?

What's mainly keeping me on Reddit is certain small subs for niche hobbies. Only on the largest platforms is it possible to find people who share my microinterests. Reddit and Discord are it, and Discord really only works as an ephemeral chatroom, it's terrible for news or threaded discussion. Not to mention how much of a problem it is that Discord isn't indexed by search engines.

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[–] notroot@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Answer: Lift my lifetime permanent ban. Heheh

I jokingly commented "I hope it was full" in a thread about Ted Cruz (aka Zodiac Killer) getting beaned by a beer can during a parade (or sumpin).

That was the last straw for the mods! How dare I "Promote or advocate violence" LOL

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[–] lackthought@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been enjoying reddit less and less for a couple years already, the site is too big and there is so much junk on there to wade through

it is refreshing to see a smaller community elsewhere, and I like the concept of a fediverse more and more

I'm going to replace the subreddits I used to visit with communities and people on lemmy, mastodon, etc

reddit served its purpose (a digg replacement back in the day), now is the time for a new replacement

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[–] palimpsest@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Apologise to Christian for the slander. And that’s just to start.
No point listing the other requirements since the first one will not be met anyway. The most we will get it “I’m sorry Christian felt that way”.

[–] manifex@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like relationships and jobs - once I'm out... I out.

[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good motto I know for a fact companies never keep rehires (or at least recently)

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[–] rubythulhu@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] John_Coomsumer@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Step 1: A backpedal to their roots, openness and FOSS leaning development. Allow reasonably cheap API access that still gives them some money from the AI trawlers but allows 3rd parties to function, stop blasting me with gigantic notification on my mobile browser to use the terrible official app every time I view a thread (or even literally forcing you off the page period if its 'nsfw' content like elden ring threads, apparently??)

Step 2: Focus on genuine usability. The official app is DOG ASS. The "new" reddit experience is a nightmare compared to old reddit. Videos STILL don't load and run properly, after literally 5 or 6 years. Straight up embarrassing stuff for software developers.

Step 3: Take a genuine stance on moderation and content. Either direction; free-for-all where only the clearly illegal is removed, or tightly moderated with global rules. This current system is a completely broken mess, you'll get the_donald literally breeding terrorists in the open for years, but I can't use call another user an "asshole loser" without getting kicked out of a subreddit? I just dont think the weird federalist style subreddit system works all that well. Global, clear, enforced rules.


If they did these things I think I would return. The real crazy thing is that they could do all of these things and still increase profitability. If the official app was actually good, more people would use it, and the massive amount of calls home and data collection it does would be way more profitable. Jump on the bandwagon, make a reddit LLM chat-bot that is fed only on reddit threads, it would probably be genuinely decent. Or at least make reddit search work, you would siphon off a ton of google search traffic. you know. innovate, at all, even a little. The money would come in. But not AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE I WANT TO SCROOGE MCDUCK THIS SHIT levels, and thats what the ownership and (soon to be) shareholders will push them towards. So none of this will happen, sadly.

Get rid off all the trolls, bots and shills. I know that's nearly an impossible task, but I'm tired of seeing the same thing posted five times a month, good content getting hidden and people arguing for the sake of arguing.

[–] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Go back to being open source, become a non-profit.

Basically not gonna happen.

The profit motive will just recreate this same scenario no matter what they promise.

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[–] cerevant@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is kind of like the Wizards of the Coast / OGL situation for me - just enough to make me consider the alternatives, and realize that the alternatives are a better long term solution.

Reddit has become overrun with crypto scam spammers, and they don't appear to be making any attempt to control it. We'll see if the fediverse can do a better job.

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[–] isosphere@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

I think it is very healthy for huge social media platforms to disappear every now and then and be replaced by better things. After being on Reddit for 13 years I'm excited for something new; hopefully different in good ways. I think a federated approach is a huge improvement. I don't think there's anything they could do.

[–] Dandroid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

All they need to do is make RIF not shut down. Whatever that takes. I'm not using their shitty app.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I've been wanting a return to a distributed social web for over a decade now. Now that it looks truly viable, why would I want to go back?

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Literally wouldn't go anywhere if the app I like wasn't having to shut down.

Their official app is horrible to use in comparison. Just joined up here and installed Jerboa and it's like using the app I'm losing there.

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[–] RoboRay@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Either free access to the API for mobile app developers or allow mobile app developers to run adds to pay for API access at a price corresponding to the actual costs involved with providing the API access...

And fix the linking "bug" they created 5 years ago to try to force old.reddit site users to migrate to the new shitty reddit site by breaking links on old.reddit.

But neither of those will happen... and I'm actually happy about that. I've been growing more and more dissatisfied with Reddit for years, and if they decide to wreck it they can wreck it. I will miss what it used to be, but I won't miss what it has become.

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[–] Echolot@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They would probably have to drop their plans of going public for me to reconsider. Of course I know this is never ever gonna happen in this reality…

[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Going public never made any sense to me, it feels so short sighted as whenever you sell more stock you lose more control of your company and stock holders have literally no interest in seeing your company succeed if your company starts failing their just going to bail on you and invest somewhere else

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[–] Undefined0968@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Bring Aaron Swartz back from the dead and put him in control

/r/Tedwasright in that tech devolves into a tool of abuse. Only thing I can think of it to keep innovating to outrun the machine

[–] Klinkertinlegs@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reverse the api changes, convince Selig to keep Apollo going, fire spez. Than MAYBE.

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[–] eggsandwich@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For a platform based so heavily around user content, they really seem to hate their users. Even if they went back on the API pricing plan, Reddit is just testing the waters for what changes they can get away with to become more profitable and corporate-friendly, and this is something I feel like they’re gonna continue to do.

Only thing they can do to bring me back is more transparency in what they’re doing, but that’s not gonna happen lol.

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[–] borlax@lemmy.borlax.com 6 points 1 year ago

There isn’t anything realistic they can do. At this point the damage has been done over the past 5 years or so and the API thing was kind of just the last straw for me.

[–] sunny_@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I haven't been a redditor for as long as you guys have, being a teenager and all, but you can see the deterioration. It's strange, losing reddit. Feels like losing a friend but different. But they took the enshittification route, and I'm never going back.

[–] zaktmt@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I would like to see spez step down as CEO and have a formal apology to the 3rd party devs affected by the API pricing change, especially to Christian over the repeated attempts to slander his reputation and outright lie about him and his app (Apollo). I would like them to make the price more reasonable if they wish to continue charging for the API. I would also want them to make the grace period a lot longer (12+ months) to give 3rd party apps a chance to adjust. I also want them to not pursue going public. From what I saw, devs had no issues paying. But the pricing is just to price out 3rd-party apps from existing.

That being said, I think there is no way in hell any of this happens. It would take a literal miracle for any of these things to happen. And I just have a hard time seeing them doing the right thing.

[–] ultraHQ@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if anything could at this point. The large amount of users has resulted in a lot lower quality of posts.

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[–] DarraignTheSane@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nothing. Literally, they just need to change nothing, to do... nothing. It is their actions that are driving people away. Today as of this moment, reddit is working the same as it's done for the past several years.

Then again, I'm defintely enjoying my time here on Lemmy much more than I was at this point on reddit. This feels more like the early days of reddit, where you have more meaningful engagements. You don't show up to a thread only to find 1,000+ comments, and likely one toward the top saying the exact same words you intended to say.

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[–] ch1cken@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Aside from becoming federated? Nothing, its a lost battle for them, they can make the api free, they can undo all their fuckups, but theres no guarantee something like this will happen again in the future.

In comparison, worst case scenario for lemmy/kbin right now is i switch my instance in the instance that the owner makes poor decisions, as opposed to abandoning the platform entirely.

[–] ericjmorey@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

If they made their mobile web interface usable, I'd use it on mobile. If they keep their old.reddit interface usable, I'll keep using it to some extent. I don't think either of these will happen.

I also think the vast majority won't care unless the moderation bots will be rendered unaffordable to maintain by volunteer mods.

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