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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/28202261

The international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement are calling on people to cancel Game Pass subscriptions, avoid Microsoft-owned video game properties such as Minecraft and Call Of Duty, and boycott all Microsoft Gaming and Xbox-branded products in protest at the company’s reported business connections with the Israeli military.

The call follows allegations this January about the Israeli military’s usage of Microsoft’s Azure cloud technology and artificial intelligence products in the course of its bombardment and invasion of Gaza.

According to a joint investigation between the Guardian, Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and Hebrew-language outlet Local Call, with additional reporting from Drop Site News, Microsoft have “deepened” their relationship with Israel’s defence establishment since 7th October 2023, when several Palestinian militant groups struck across the border and massacred over a thousand people. Israel responded to the attack by mounting a ground offensive and airstrikes that have destroyed much of Gaza and killed tens of thousands of Palestinians.

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[–] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago (2 children)

use linux. that will remove everything microsoft.

i made the change a few years back, and my wife made the change a few months ago. #worth

[–] WR5@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Well except for any Xbox peripherals such as controllers, or games published or made by studios owned by Microsoft. It's not just Windows OS.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

These days 8BitDo controllers are superior to first party Xbox controllers and sold for cheaper.

[–] WR5@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

For sure, there are lots of options for controllers for PC!

[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yep, I have the 2.4ghz dongle ones with hall effect sensors and charging stand. Its just better and cheaper. The dongle is so that I don't have to sync, I kinda like the whole plug in and it just works.

[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Are there any with gyro?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)
[–] WR5@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That is true.

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[–] Nima@leminal.space 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

my xbox controller works fine on linux. and I don't feel the need to stay for xbox exclusive software anymore. this isnt 1998. Software comparable or better than microsoft-made applications and programs are numerous now. you can choose freely. and proton is extremely powerful now.

the world needs to move on from windows and microsoft. its time.

[–] WR5@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I agree with all of this, my point is your Xbox controller is a Microsoft product? And if you purchase or play any games owned by Microsoft, they are also Microsoft products? So you would need to boycott all of that as well. That is just a much larger net cast than just not using Windows.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

BDS does not imply you stop using whatever you already own. it's about preventing future purchases

[–] WR5@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Again, agreed. The original poster said "use Linux, that will remove everything Microsoft". That is disingenuous, because you can use Linux and still purchase Microsoft products compatible with Linux. So my point was not to toss your existing items. However, you cannot replace your existing physical Microsoft products, purchase new digital content, or support any of Microsoft software in addition to switching from Windows. I didn't imply anything about what you may already own.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

institutions should divest from future and present contracts. most consumers don't have contracts with Microsoft. selling your electronics doesn't hurt them in any way nor is that something that BDS asks for on their website:

https://bdsmovement.net/microsoft

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[–] nyamlae@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Well, it's not so simple for gaming. People who don't already own a gaming PC will need to drop a lot of money to buy one, and then get used to gaming on Linux (which can be janky, as I'm sure you know).

But, it's worth it. Our convenience shouldn't cost us our humanity.

[–] Elevator7009@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

I game on a former Windows 11 laptop that now runs Linux. I have never owned a "real" gaming PC in my entire life and do not intend to drop any money on one. However, not having enough money to drop on a new laptop to run Linux because you have a more pressing need than gaming to have to still use Windows is still understandable. It's less than the full-blown fancy gaming PC with its GPUs, but it's still money.

Not really facing any jank myself thanks to the whole Steam Deck compatibility thing, but I also did have to tinker with one game a bit to make it work. I have had one game demo for a small indie not run so far. Other than that, very smooth experience.

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[–] micka190@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the Israeli military’s usage of Microsoft’s Azure cloud technology and artificial intelligence products

Genuine question, but doesn't this just mean that Israel paid for a Microsoft Azure subscription and used it to host web services? Like, anyone can do that. What am I missing here, exactly?

They say Microsoft have "deepened" their relationship, but how did they do that, exactly?

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they answer your question in detail on their own website

https://www.bdsmovement.net/microsoft

[–] XM34@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So, yeah. It's pretty much that.

[–] skrlet13@feddit.cl 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you knew someone is doing terrible stuff with the goods/services you are offering to them, would you happily continue to have that commercial relationship?

Israel crimes are known. Microsoft has deleted accounts for muuuuuuuuuuch less.

[–] XM34@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but that's the thing. Other accounts don't bring millions of revenue.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

wrong, no other cloud provider offers the same military services that Microsoft does

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Part of why it's so ridiculous some Americans are legally prohibited from participating in BDS, is people only know if you tell them.

You can just not buy it and never mention why.

And unfortunately, lots of people aren't even aware it's illegal:

https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292

[–] suite403@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

We're so freeeeee!

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This whole thing has erupted on my radar in the past month ever since they abducted the girl from Tufts.

HOW does this genocidal state have such an insane stranglehold on our country?

Now I’m getting YouTube ads to demonize Hamas; apparently their effort to “pull people back” and get people sympathetic for October 7 hostages. I AM sympathetic to the hostages!…So why is Israel bombing them??

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

HOW does this genocidal state have such an insane stranglehold on our country?

Before AIPAC there was another Israeli organization that donated to politicians.

After years of fighting a committee ruled that it had to register as a foreign agent.

So Israel created AIPAC and then gave Max donations to the people on the committee that decides who has to register as a foreign agent.

Which is why AIPAC has never had to register.

As both parties continually got rid of campaign finance law, AIPAC kept increasing what they gave, and started throwing insane money at anyone critical of Israel in the primary when it's cheap.

Over decades they've bought the only two options and ensured the only two options were peo-Israel over anything else

The worst part ...

They're not the only organization, even foreign country. Doing this to ensure they always win.

Luckily while Ken Martin does have a pro-Israel bias, while running Minnesota he was one of the few state chairs who refused to work against anti-genocide Dems in primaries or generals. Which resulted in Minnesota being one of the progressive strongholds despite no one guessing it would shake out that way a decade ago.

So I want to be clear:

The people fucking up the DNC for decades is gone, we need to support the new DNC to keep it out of their hands. The people running the DNC six months ago wants the current DNC to take the fall so they can move back in.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That's just what it looks like now

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The original Duke, S controller, and Xbox 360 controllers all have similar D-pads. I actually forgot they switched to a traditional one.

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[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

Two steps ahead of you

[–] brrt@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know what would help? Steam releasing a console. Valve, please just do what you did with the Steam Deck and put it in a box, offer 2-3 variations of specs and refresh them every 3-5 years.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They can even call them something cool like Steam Machines

[–] FoolishAchilles@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

a question to parents/guardians of kids playing Minecraft or other Microsoft games:

if they uninstall the Microsoft version of Minecraft and switch to a pirated launcher, does that respect the BDS demands? also, does playing it on Linux Mint from the Software Manager benefit Microsoft in any way?

I'm aware of similar media boycotts such as SAG/AFTRA telling people not to promote targeted media projects publicly. Ofc, BDS is a different organization but I'm hoping someone could clarify if not promoting Minecraft while still playing is sufficient? I'm not personally invested in continuing to play, but would like to find ways to inspire my young relative to consume consciously.

[–] skrlet13@feddit.cl 4 points 1 month ago

The most important thing in boycotts is not giving them (more) money, and not promoting their goods/services. You can't get your money back from already bought things, so you can use or buy used stuff from other person.

Regarding Minecraft, the most effective is to avoid all its subscriptions and new purchases. But there are more actions, like not promoting and not playing. It is more about what you can do at the moment. Usually, listening and sharing the bad things done by the company helps you decide what can you do rn.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Fuuuuuccckkk

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