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[–] oDDmON@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

Fuck you bud, our unit was more productive remote and we had the metrics to prove it.

Unfortunately, data doesn’t trump tiny minds who need to manage people in person, or obviate the type of bullshit rumors billionaires and those invested in commercial real estate tend to peddle.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

Oh hey, look, another bag holder claiming that the contents of their bag are super important!

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Fortune and Bloomberg ran this story. It's collusion. Bunch of old rich friends and neighbors pumping each others profits.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How would he even know? Did he run some comparative numbers between employees working from home and those that didn’t during the same time period? Or is he just making shit up?

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

He knows because it is in his best interest for it to be so.

As remote work is going to decimate the commercial realestate market.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

The answer will shock you!

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

He's doing the same shit Elon does and is just pulling random bullshit out of his ass that makes his opinion sound less absolutely fucking stupid than it really is.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

I'm willing to bet every single one of them worked more than he did.

[–] zerkrazus@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Has he been to an office before? Just because you're in an office doesn't mean you're "working hard." Lots of people do random web browsing, online shopping, etc., while at work and on the clock. Typical belief of old timers. They think your presence at a desk is somehow a magical indicator of a hard worker.

[–] Jerkules_Jerkules@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Listen, all I am saying is that if all the billionaires disappeared over night, if you avoided mass communication media you would probably not know. If you took that same amount of collective wealth from the bottom up human society would collapse.

[–] painfulasterisk@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Another person that needs to "factory reset his life" and "start a new file" like the rest of us, without money and connections.

[–] Jerkface@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

New game minus.

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No conflict of interest here folks.

Not like there's murmurs about a commercial real estate crash looming due to remote work being super effective and there being no reason what so ever for CEOs to have these gigantic castles with thousands of serfs.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So glad my company downsized offices this last year. We're like 80-90% remote (I still haven't even been to the state my office is in), so there was no reason to keep a big office building that was mostly empty.

It's amazing what a company can do when they care about their employees more than a stack of bricks with shit in them.

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't go as far as to say they care about employees, there are plenty economical reasons to do so, the fact it gels with happy employees is pure happenstance..

The difference is when the drive to maximize money is greater than the need to lord over people.

That is, unless the company owns the real estate and buildings themselves, then the fear the value of the property will tank is another overriding factor that sets them against WFH.

[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the reality is that if companies have remote employees, they dont need commercial real estate. if companies dont need commercial real estate, a GIANT BUBBLE that will dwarf the subprime fuckups in 2008 happens & tens of billions of dollars in commercial real estate will rapidly lose value. anyone holding that property will see their assets plummet like someone jumping out of the 70th floor of a Wall St building.

if anything, the pandemic taught us that 90%+ of employees who could work in an office downtown (or wherever) can work just as well at home. Schwarzman's ass is on the line.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

OR . . . OR they can convert them to luxury living spaces in the heart of the city for beaucoups de bux.

But fantastically stupid comments like the real estate magnate is making here in the article will be the kicking and screaming before that happens.

[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you're not wrong, they totally could - but not at a profit margin the board/stockholders will accept. really glad I dont have any investments in commercial real estate.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

What about defense, water, food, medicine?

[–] DreddNYC@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Converting a commercial building to residential use isn’t that easy. For one the plumbing is very different for commercial use and not easily converted for residential. Either way this billionaire can get bent, remote work is better in every measurable way.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Fully automated luxury everyone space Communism sounds good.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhocking!

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Harder to trick employees to do the work of two other employees in remote format.

[–] exixx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Fucking right. And I would love to inform him we're still not at even 80% now.

[–] Isycius@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Even assuming that what he claim is true and can back with evidence, he would need to go further and show that loss of productivity caused by remote working is massive enough to: offset cost of borrowing commercial real estate (Or much larger real estate with corresponding maintenance bill in case on-site location is need for other reason), paying employee transportation, giving up remote talent, etc.

It is entirely his fault for not preparing for the time where people will actually bring out calculator when there was moon-sized sign post for several years.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Past time to eat...

[–] WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Any archive for this pw?