Jack Dorsey, who owns dozens of patents, conveniently does not opt to lead the charge by cancelling them all.
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To be absolutely fair, and I dont trust billionaire cunts. Sometimes that just doesnt make sense, it isnt like open sourcing doesnt exist, it hasnt triggered a shift to Jack Dorseys ilk's big tech companies.
you could try asking him to put his money where his mouth is
So what are the chances he means no copyright for everyone, versus that he means copyright shouldn't affect corporations?
I am hard side eyeing everyone who are pro abolishment of IP laws. You are either mindless consumers who have never spent time and effort creating anything yourselves your entire lives, or you haven't thought this through.
I hope for the latter.
How do you explain the vast wealth of free software and entertainment media created by both professionals and hobbyists alike? How do you explain the profitability of games and movies when any of us can pirate a copy with little effort? Why is it possible to sell copies of public domain books when we have libraries?
I've created lots of things. The moment I finish creating it, I sign over my IP rights in exchange for money for food, and never have a right to it again.
Without IP law, the thing I created would at least be in the commons where I can still legally use it.
(I agree with your point, some IP law could be better than none. But I'll assert that a total void of all IP law would be better than what we have now.
And we need to theaten to void it all, to get the current rights holders to negotiate. Frankly, I don't think they will. I think we need to void all IP law and then encourage the next generation to create some new IP law after we starve our current billionaires.)
(All this is in spite of my objection to being on the same side of any argument with Jack Dorsey. I have no illusion that his motives are pro-social.)
Voiding all IP law would cause a huge loss in the creative community.
If people can no longer pay their bills by creating then they stop creating and work. If I can't pay my bills by writing a book or creating art and selling it (because I don't own what I create), then I stop doing that and get a job at Walmart. Why dump years and your heart and soul into a great book just to have it distributed for free and be poor. Creating would become a pure luxury.
Voiding all IP law would cause a huge loss in the creative community.
I agree. I wouldn't be in favor of "burn it down" if I thought we could negotiate better terms with our current IP oligarchs.
If people can no longer pay their bills by creating then they stop creating and work.
I'll still be available to do creative work. It wouldn't change my current work-for-hire efforts.
Very little valuable IP is held by actual creators, today.
Why dump years and your heart and soul into a great book just to have it distributed for free and be poor.
Are you an actual published creator, or a temporarily embarrassed future billionaire? Is there a version of success for you that isn't just selling to a big IP company to get enough money to retire? That's what it looks like, to me. The peak of my possible success would be to write something that threatens/tempts the big IP holders enough to force them to buy me out. If I don't take the buy out, they eventually bury my thing with their advertising power.
I don't really disagree with you. I'm actually in favor of keeping and fixing IP laws, if that's possible.
But I believe the IP laws we have now only serve our billionaire employers. So, as a creator, I won't fight to keep our current IP laws.
I have spent time and effort creating things myself. Still think ip law is not entirely accomplishing what it should, which is protecting the interests of people producing intellectual works, preferably while they can still reap the benefits of said work and are not financially/socially stable. It seems it's basically working backwards, great for inheritors to make millions by doing nothing except owning some IPs but terrible at protecting the people who actually need it.
I also know a few people holding some important patents, and I guess the patent system is alright in comparison, at least in France, since it did actually protect their work while also allowing others to use it fairly and improve on it.
There is definitely room for improvement when it comes to IP laws, but abolishing them entirely is not the win some people think it is.
The problem for me is that if you abolish copyrights it means your creation can be used for any reason without permission.
Maybe you don’t care if somebody downloads your music for free to listen to or uses it in their goofy TikTok dance video.
But, no copyright also means the most terrible person on the planet can use your song at their political rally. They can use it as a backing tracks for ideals you do not agree with. A major corporation can use it in their advertising campaign. They can even straight up sell your creations as their own for profit.
Without the protection of copyright, artists, authors, musicians, video content creators, etc. have no say in how their work is used.
All you described is happening WITH copyright and even enforced by it.
Without the protection of copyright, artists, authors, musicians, video content creators, etc. have no say in how their work is used.
Copyright owner is not author. Publisher(disney, EA, Ubisoft) controls everything and author has no say in it. Often authors in order to discuss their works and show portfolios have to pirate their own work(e.g. The Owl House). So copyright protects inability of artists, authors, musicians, video content creators, etc. have no say in how their work is used.
That's one of the least worrying aspects of abolishing copyright for me. but then again, the whole "control what others do with your creation" never sat right with me in the first place. I tend to fall into the "property is theft" line of reasoning.
With regards to profit sharing in particular, well, I think copyright law is a paltry, dirty bandage that covers up the festering wound of for-profit art. At the very least, the wound needs to be cleaned and the bandage changed.
IP law and copyright is really important. It protects people from companies, and companies from bad actors.
Patents are also how you kill electronic vehicles for 15 years.
I think if you said "major reform" like use it or lose it, mandatory licensing, and any other number of sane overhauls...sure, but the point is to destroy the broken system we have today.
Exactly, people don't actually think about this. They just think "I get stuff companies have" and not "no one will write books anymore." If creative people can't make money by creating, they do something else. Why make music, books, art, when doing so becomes a financial drain.
Imagine a world where you created a hit story online. Well a big company could make that a book, sell it and you see nothing. If it got big they could sell merch, which you would see none of. Big companies, by having manufacturing and distribution setup, could steal any idea at any point and put it into the machine. This would be a nightmare.
This is exactly what would happen.
I'm a creator myself and it is already hard enough to get jobs - not even well paying jobs, just jobs. Now we are competing with AI and then you're telling me that people here on Lemmy agree with these wolves about abolishing IP laws, which means my hard work and intellectual property that I have spent countless hours on developing, is now up for grabs for anyone out there who is bigger and richer than me?
I seriously don't believe people have thought this through, or they are lying about being creators themselves.
But I guess the "I got mine" mentality is all over the internet. Even here, lol. No one cares as long as they think it doesn't affect them personally. Ladidah. How did that go for the American farmers who voted for Trump because they thought it would help their farms?
Yep, this is Trump's Tariffs all over again.
And if this happened, people would cheer as they got all this stuff for free, without realizing that they just killed the future of creativity.
The irony is people want this to happen because they see companies as greedy. When in fact, this move itself would be incredibly greedy and feed the corporations that people are trying to rail against.
And all these free movies and software are only "free" until they find a way to enforce logins and always online BS for everything. Big companies won't just give up their IP, they will fight this and find a way to hoard.
But people with tuberculosis in the third world would get to live. Decent trade off. No actually, the only good option. Anyone who even brings up art when discussing IP (much less defends it in the discussion) is a coddled narcissist with no perspective
Swedish (For the user name)?
I think you should have rights but not like it is today with stupid 100 years after authors death.
You can also protect the creation, without having laws banning people using it. Like if you buy a painting in france, you can't burn it or "disrespect" (sorry, can't find a better word) it.
Yes, there are definitely room for improvement when it comes to IP laws but that is a completely different discussion from the one about abolishing IP laws entirely. One discussion is constructive and aims toward a more fair system, the other is Trump-anarchy which will only ever benefit the ones who have money and power while it will screw the rest of us over.
Also, not Swedish. I just love Astrid Lindgren.
Delete all P = NP law. Return the sand from whence it came.
Sure. Let's start with publishing and copyright.
Delete all internet protocol
i mean, i hate IP law as well, i like stealing shit.
If there's no IP law you can't steal IP any more. Hah!
Actually fully agreed. IP, trademarks, copyright, all that shit just serves to make the rich richer and stifle innovation.