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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 87 points 5 days ago (12 children)

This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.

Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 35 points 5 days ago (16 children)

when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I'll do is take some nazis with me.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won't raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you're dead anyway. ''ICE kills US citizen'' is a much stronger headline than ''Trump says he will do this to citizens'' additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ''just following orders'' includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.

May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don't you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn't the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 265 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Media keeps saying "criminal." Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 154 points 6 days ago (5 children)

People forget that all the people the Nazi's put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.

No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said "Yeah, I put innocent people in jail".

This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 62 points 6 days ago

This is why we have separation of powers

Had

[–] frezik@midwest.social 41 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Oddly enough, Trump's DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can't get him back.

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 42 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, no... they didn't say they couldn't get him back. They said they don't have to, even though the supreme court upheld the district court order to facilitate his return. In a rare unanimous decision I might add. They're not even trying to pretend they care what the courts say at this point.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-defy-supreme-court_n_67fd3ad6e4b0c8069e85c34e

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[–] aramis87@fedia.io 233 points 6 days ago (4 children)

We've already seen the creep: first it was violent illegal immigrants, then it was any illegal immigrants, then it was immigrants waiting for due process on their case, then it was green card holders - not necessarily a lot of them, but enough to establish precedents and see how far they can get.

Now they're saying "violent US citizen-criminals" - but they run the state that determines whether you're a criminal and how violent your crimes was. Remember all those videos of non-resisting people being screened at by the cops "Stop resisting!"; remember bills in Florida and other states to label trans people sex offenders - that's what we're up against. Any resistance or non-conformity can and likely will be punished.

"First they came for ... "

[–] match@pawb.social 76 points 6 days ago (1 children)

they're even inventing new language for it: "homegrowns"

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it's not new. "homegrown terrorist" -> "homegrowns".

I'm speculating they're going to use that angle. Using precedents set by The War on Terrorism (TM) to justify the next steps. The 50501 movement needs to be preparing organized legal supports for anyone who gets disappeared. I bet this is who they are going after next. Summer is coming. The protests are ramping up. What if it's as soon as the April 19th event.

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[–] valtia@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Also worth mentioning that they've only been snatching people off the street, meaning people who didn't have any active warrants. If they did have warrants, they probably would have been arrested already. They're not deporting people who are already in prison. At this point, "criminal" means anyone suspected of a crime, and that suspicion extends to any kind of criminal record, even if you've already served time.

Obviously, they're going to drop the "criminal" pretense soon enough, but they will start grabbing ex-felons first. I'm terrified for members of my family who absolutely fit the description of these kinds of targets: ex-felons with tattoos who look vaguely brown.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 141 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Feel like I’ve been saying this a lot recently, but it’s pertinent:

Camp Auschwitz was in Poland, not Germany.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago (29 children)

Buy a gun and if they come for you kill as many as possible

This is where our country is heading

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

buy a gun

Yes you reading this. Even if you're white.

Arm yourself.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

And organize, they can and do pick out people who are alone, as they are cowards. If there are 10 of you walking, armed, they are less likely to fuck around

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

This is the correct approch. I can't stress this enough, when it costs ICE their lives, and the headlines are "12 citizen killed by ICE" then people will stop sitting on their hands like this is nothing. Don't let them put you in a ghetto, don't let them put you in a labor camp or a death camp, CALL THEIR HAND EVERY TIME, If you let them take you, you're dead anyway.

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[–] SpikedPunchVictim@lemmy.world 91 points 6 days ago (7 children)

My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we're heading?

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's a pretty good likelihood that stuff like that is in our future.

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[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 84 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They refuse to bring Garcia back because hes dead. CECOT is an extermination camp. Complete with giant pool of blood. It's a prison that never fills up.

We are no longer in some hypothetical what if state in regards to fascism. The President is sending people to death camps and as conservative as this SCOTUS is it ruled 9 to 0 ordering Trump to return Garcia. They refused to do so.

Buy a gun.

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[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 122 points 6 days ago (49 children)

Fuck you, Trump. Make yourself an enemy to all. We will not back down.

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[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 77 points 6 days ago (12 children)

They won't stop unless someone makes them stop. That's how movements like this work, every single time. They never wind down on their own. They have to constantly keep increasing the cruelty and extremism, or else their base will see weakness and abandon them. However bad you think it is now, it's only going to get worse, unless someone puts an end to it. Historically, there are only a few ways a fascist movement has ever been stopped, and none of them are pretty.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Generally, things chug along getting worse and worse, until suddenly we reach a tipping point. Then something happens, often small and innocuous, and it tips. Then there's no stopping it.

The Berlin Wall came down when a single guard decided on his own that he wasn't going to stop the growing crowd that appeared after an East German government official accidentally declared at a press conference that they would finally allow emigration, following increasingly large protests. When the world woke up that morning, NOBODY knew this would happen that day. Not a single intelligence agency anywhere on the planet predicted it. It totally surprised the entire world.

Its likely that protests and outrage in America will grow, even among disgruntled MAGAs, and one day, its just going explode, probably over something fairly small. The fuse has already been lit.

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

Donald Trump is literally, yes, using the correct expression: literally -- a homegrown criminal.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Time to buy a gun. The left needs to arm themselves fuckin' yesterday.

Don't think that they won't come for you. The law is powerless to protect you from having your rights trampled on under this administration. All it takes is for King Trump to declare you a gang member and they have carte blanche authority to disappear you off the street.

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[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago

PP is talking about saying "Fuck You" to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And so it begins in Canada. Trump said exactly what he planned to do, and his followers were like, “I love this guy, he tells it like it is”. It is frightening that there are so many Canadians following this POS. 90,000,000 people didn’t vote in the US. Don’t be like them! VOTE VOTE VOTE 🇨🇦 ✊

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He is literally begging to be put down like a rabid animal

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 62 points 6 days ago (8 children)

If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.

I'm only joking a little.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I started carrying again. "Feared for my life" will ring very true with real consequences.

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[–] Monstrosity@lemm.ee 61 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

If there is no due process & the sentence is death, then Americans must resist arrest at all costs.

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[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

if things get any shittier, this administration is going to have to stop people at the border in the opposite direction

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[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 43 points 6 days ago (6 children)

The best advice I can give: leave the Untied States if you can

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Um how? Who wants American Refugees?

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[–] gamer@lemm.ee 38 points 6 days ago (7 children)

This makes Bukele complicit in the crimes of the Trump administration, right? Isn't he worried about the repercussions when the rule of law is restored in the US?

He is illegally kidnapping and restraining US citizens.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.

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[–] SaintOwlPizza25@lemm.ee 42 points 6 days ago

This is unbelievable, I could be deported. Me and my Dad were born on a military base, but that will not matter or my Grandpa was a respected general. My name isn't English, tattoos, but I'm white and don't know Spanish. El Salvador will be a death sentence in more than one way.

Like I'm telling the few people I have and it's being downplayed, "that won't happen", " or "stay off the news and go have fun, you're stressing out". Like no, I'm gearing up for whatever comes, plan A to Z. I will NOT be torn away what I built for my family or my kids future.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Bring it you orange fuck.

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