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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 2 months ago

It really isn't that difficult, Dems.

You are meant to be an opposition party. Oppose.

If you can't do that, get the fuck out of the way for someone who will.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“I wish that she would stand stronger and voice more of like, ‘This is what I’m doing. I’m doing x, y, z. I’m talking to the Republicans. I’m trying to get them to shift.’ That would be helpful…

Moron expects republicans to listen to reason.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"I wish that she would stand stronger and throw rocks at the Republicans when she sees them in the hallways, and try to put ICE agents on trial for the many felonies they're committing. That would be helpful..."

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, felony rock throwing is what people want. Which just shows no one knows how government works. This explains how we got here. FAFO.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, I agree ... fundamentally the only way to oppose with any effect is to have enough votes to oppose and they don't. It's that simple.

[–] everett@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

a bill that would require voters to prove their citizenship when casting a ballot

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 7 points 2 months ago

I think the point of the protesters is that many blacks don't have such proof on hand so this bill ends up disenfranchising them even though they are citizens.

[–] griff@lemmings.world 8 points 2 months ago

Representative Perez: remember your roots

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

nearly
We can do better.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You could phrase it as "corrupted opposition," suggesting that they are complacent and addicted to campaign contributions, which would both be more accurate and also point the way to an actual solution, hellishly difficult as it might be.

These phrases like "captured opposition" and "ratchet theory" I think have more to do with encouraging people to do nothing at all (because they construct a model where everyone is deliberately lying and all change is hopeless), than they do with communicating any actual reality.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd ague that captured opposition means the real fight starts within the DNC because its a big tent party and one of the biggest factions are Republican appeasers.

Its up to Dems to decide if they need to reform the party or make a new one, but the idea that voting blue will bring the change you want. It won't. The real fight starts with party governance and candidate selection.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

the idea that voting blue will bring the change you want

Yeah, this is the stupid I wanted to argue against. This isn't an either-or proposition. Voting blue is necessary to make sure we don't all get thrown into ICE-camps before the next election cycle. Reforming the party is necessary so that we don't all die of climate change, wage slavery, and corporate takeover. "The Dems" are not going to reform the party. We need to reform that party. There are important people like Bernie and AOC trying to do that, but they're outnumbered by the ghouls about 20-to-1. This type of "principled" stand to refuse to vote for anything blue until they get better on their own will do negative 0 percent to help accomplish that mission.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago

I get that this is a UK pub, but holy hell is that hed twitch-inducing on style.