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RIP Robert Enke I feel sorry for how his life turned out

[–] Sleepless_Voyager@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I hope hes reunited with his daughter, RIP

[–] Erdnussbutter21@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

14 years already... Rip

[–] Schnix54@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Robert Enke took his own life on November 10, 2009. Following the death of the Hannover 96 national goalkeeper, there were loud calls for change in the soccer business. But his former teammate Mario Eggimann believes that not much has remained.
Mario Eggimann remembers November 10, 2009 as if it were yesterday. "I was sitting in the car. I was standing in front of my house and was still on the phone. I was holding my cell phone in my hand and saw a WhatsApp come in from my wife. And it just said: 'Robert is dead'. From that moment on, I have to say, I didn't remember much for the next hour," the 42-year-old recalls.

Robert Enke - the tragedy of a goalkeeper

Robert Enke was an outstanding goalkeeper and a special person. His top sporting performances were offset by private strokes of fate and a serious illness.
Like many, the news of Enke's death caught Eggimann off guard. A year and a half earlier, the Swiss had moved from Karlsruher SC to Hannover 96 - and still raves about the skills of his teammate today: "Robert Enke was an incredibly good goalkeeper - the best goalkeeper I ever played with." The former defender also talks about the support that the keeper was for his teammates: "He simply radiated something that gave you a sense of security."

Theresa Enke: "We thought we could do it with love"

The goalkeeper of a Bundesliga soccer team, who had also become the regular goalkeeper for the German national team at the time, was unable to find security himself. And the fatal thing: "Robbi thought you couldn't bring it out in public," explained his wife Theresa some time ago.
She was one of the very few people who knew that Germany's number one was in a bad way. Depression was a taboo subject at the time. At the much-publicized press conference following her husband's death, she said tearfully: "We thought that with love it would be possible. But you don't always manage it."

DFB President Zwanziger called for a rethink from everyone

In the days and weeks that followed, the news about Enke, who had thrown himself in front of a moving train, came thick and fast. The 32-year-old had concealed the fact that he was suffering from depression. Outwardly, he had not let anything show. There was great sympathy after the suicide. Especially in Hanover, where a memorial service was held at the Niedersachsenstadion. Also nationwide, the event was broadcast on television.

Eggimann learned to look after himself and others

For Eggimann, the death of his teammate was a moment to listen deeply to himself. "When you're in this structure, you already feel: 'Oh, it's hard. There are bad days. But normally you never look too closely at what's really happening," explains the former Swiss international. "When you grow up in this structure, you always think that what's happening is normal."
The 1.89-metre model athlete admitted to himself that he wasn't feeling well - and sought professional help, which he found from a trauma therapist. The work quickly bore fruit. Within a short space of time, Eggimann became a regular player for Hannover 96 again - and played the majority of competitive matches the following year. However, the ex-professional emphasizes that he himself was not depressed: "I wasn't well, Robert was seriously ill."

Further training in trauma and talk therapy

The event and the way he came to terms with it left a big impression on Eggimann. He underwent further training in trauma therapy with his therapist and is now also well versed in talk therapy. In addition to a degree in sports management, which he completed after his career ended in 2015, his CV now also includes training in Gestalt therapy. He incorporates all of this into his work as a player consultant - in which he repeatedly has to deal with his clients' mental health problems. Thanks to his training and further education, he has also been able to provide professional support in cases involving depression.
His appeal is simple: talk! Preferably at times when the athletes are doing well. Then it's easier to open up when thoughts become increasingly gloomy. Confidants are important here: "Tell them how you're feeling. Listen to what they have to say. And then, once you have opened up, you can decide whether simply talking to someone about it will help or whether you need someone else to talk to."

Robert Enke Foundation does valuable work

Theresa Enke does valuable educational work with the Robert Enke Foundation, which was founded in January 2010 and for which she was awarded the Lower Saxony Order of Merit this year. From her point of view, it is a great step forward that people are now talking openly about mental health. And she has noted with approval that professional footballers have repeatedly found the courage to talk about their problems in recent years. The most recent was Niklas Schmidt from Werder Bremen. "I think the death, or this tragic event, has triggered a lot in people's minds," Theresa Enke is convinced.
She also welcomes the fact that the big clubs have now created almost nationwide opportunities for players to speak to team psychologists. "A lot is being done. Even if the topic still needs to be pushed in the lower divisions, of course. But it's already pretty good," emphasized the 47-year-old. "The coaches are also taking care of the athletes. And it's no longer a taboo subject like it was in Robbi's day. Like: 'Now pull yourself together'. I'd say that only happens occasionally, but not much anymore."

Eggimann: "The clubs try a lot, but..."

But as a consultant and ex-professional, Eggimann looks at the issue from a different angle. "This is a meritocracy. Professionals want to play at the weekend. That's why he thinks twice about what he explains to the psychologist," says Eggimann. "Of course, he has to assume that this could also be communicated internally." That's why everyone has to ask themselves whether it could even harm them to open up within the club.
Because even if those responsible react with understanding and give the player time to recover, his regular place could be gone after his mental recovery. After all, there is always at least one competitor in the squad waiting for his chance. "They are also trying to deal with this issue. I think the clubs are really trying a lot. But I don't think it's fair to say that this has changed the whole business."

[–] JensLehmens@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Ich hab dieses Jahr n Interview von Yannik Keitel vom SC Freiburg gelesen in dem er über seine Ausbildung als Mentalcoach redet die er gemacht hat, und z.B. seine täglichen Meditationen. Er meinte, dass das natürlich keine Therapie ersetzt und er jetzt auch nicht plötzlich ausgebildeter Psychologe ist, aber ich finde sowas zeigt, dass doch einiger in dieser jetztigen Generation junger Spieler sich diese Dinge zu Herzen nehmen und sich damit auseinandersetzen. Im Bundesliga sub hat jmd geschrieben 'Andere haben daraus ganz unbewusst gelernt und sind sich dessen gar nicht bewusst.' Ich finde, dass ist auch ein wichtiger Teil von Robert Enke's Vermächtnis.

[–] manualbackscratcher@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Police confirmed a suicide note was discovered but would not publicise its details. His widow, Teresa, revealed that her husband had been suffering from depression for six years and was treated by a psychiatrist. After the death of his daughter Lara in 2006, he struggled to cope with the loss.

Once you lose a child, your life will never be the same, no matter how much money, success and friends around you.

RIP

[–] DomineeringDrake@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. I've seen it firsthand with my younger brother and what it did to my family. There is not a single pain that comes even close to losing your child way before their time. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

[–] karlverkade@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Not that words mean much, but I'm sorry for your loss.

[–] jugol@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

That's the one reason I cut some slack to CR on his meltdown before going to Saudi Arabia. Yea he has personal responsibility for the bridges he burned, but I can understand to some extent why he wasn't thinking with clarity.

[–] Schnix54@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Robert Enke was a great goalkeeper and an even better person (here is an article on how Enke saved the career of a young Sven Ulreich when he went through tough times after being harshly criticized).

His story is all too human and shows how depression can get us all no matter how rich or what status we might have. Please get all the help in the world if you feel like you are depressed. There is no shame in any of it.

This also a reminder for us fans who should always realize that players are also just humans.

R.I.P Robert. German football deeply misses you

[–] SkimGaming@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember very vividly how discussions around the football business erupted and how ppl had hoped we as a society would also be more open towards mental health related issues.

While I do think society as a whole has become more accepting and more open (altho even that isnt nearly where we need to be, specifically in Germany), the football business has largely forgotten this incident and I think the way Maguire is treated publicly is a perfect example of failing to learn lessons.

We only talk about treating footballers as humans when tragedy happens, but until then they're merely objects for entertainment

[–] SavingsLeg@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

100%

I always think its changed, but then i remember that social media probably just made it much much worse. Maguire is a perfect example, but dele alli or sancho probably also dont/didnt feel great being criticized 24/7

The whole attention seeking culture of the internet where the loudest voice gets the most attention leads to bullying being so incredibly accepted for some reason

Not saying im perfect, but i really dont like how accepted it is to casually have the entire internet bully certain players week in week out. I dont think most people could handle what theyre going through

[–] FlinkMissy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

looks like he needs to take a shit

[–] KingBoogaloo@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

What a weird coincidence, or maybe not. Today's episode of the BBC 5 Live Daily Football podcast was their "Euro Leagues" show, where they look outside of the English leagues. And a large portion today was about young players and the mental health struggles they often face.

And in that conversation, Raphael Honigstein, a German football journalist, mentioned Enke, as someone who lost the battle against his struggles. They did not mention that today (or tomorrow, since they most likely recorded the show yesterday) was the day he took his own life.

Mental health is no joke. Please try to look after yourself and those around you.

Love you all.

[–] Srefanius@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

RIP Legend.

[–] EFOF@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I always like the Norm Macdonald quote on cancer when he's talking about the phrase "lost their battle" with what killed them.

"I'm pretty sure if you die the cancer dies at the same time, that's not a loss thats a draw".

[–] kenyeaaaah@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

A Life Too Short - The Tragedy of Robert Enke is an essential read

[–] VegetableAwkward286@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don't like this losing expression. As if they're a faliure.

[–] FakingHappiness513@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Depression is a real monster to deal with. Speak to mental health professional, if you need antidepressants, take them. As Someone who is with depression all my adult life most people don’t know and i have gotten go at hiding it. And always check in on your friends and family.

[–] lala_b11@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

rip Robert Enke ❤️🙏🏻

[–] thedifferentroad@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I will remember him forever

[–] Rave_Master_Ahri@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I still remember 15 year old me sitting home at my tv playing some games when I heard the news come in. Kept telling myself that this surely isn't real but the realization soon settled in and it was hard for me to not cry. Me and my mom ended up joining the walk in hanover to the stadium and signed the book of condolences and I ended up watching the memorial in the stadium on tv.

RIP Robert, you will always be remembered as one of the greatest goalkeepers that I was glad to witness.

[–] Mordho@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Remember it like it was yesterday. No one should go through all that anguish. And FUCK depression

[–] micoud04@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I was in 6th/7th grade and to this day no "celebrity" death had an impact on me quite like Enke's death. He was universally liked in Germany and as a massive football fan this was a big shock for 12 year old me. R.I.P.

[–] micoud04@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I was in 6th/7th grade and to this day no "celebrity" death had an impact on me quite like Enke's death. He was universally liked in Germany and as a massive football fan this was a big shock for 12 year old me. R.I.P.

[–] Johnpunzel@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

14 years ago, I was 12 years old without a care in the world. I heard about Enke's passing in the news, and my child-self could not fathom how one could possibly make that decision. 14 years and many pivotal moments later, and even though I can't claim to understand what he went through as an individual, I would like to say, Robert, I'm sad that you're gone, but I understand.

Depression is serious and treatable. I hope you all take good care of yourselves and seek out resources when things get hard. Let's honor those who have lost their lives to depression by getting the help we need and deserve.

RIP.

[–] Federal-Owl-8947@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This hits hard everytime I read about Enke's story the pain he must have felt..what a great loss such a great goalkeeper he was and a great father.

[–] Soren_Camus1905@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I remember this like it was yesterday. This and Gary Speed the following year kickstarted a dialogue still going to this day, they did not die in vain.

[–] Either_Cause_9674@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Jumping in front of a train whst a coward , now his daughter is going to find the news out eventually, imagine the impact in her , holy shit the selfish acts of one person will contribute to downfall of others soon