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Been digging into dunk stats recently. Less because I'm interested in dunks, more because I'm interested in this weird sorta data anomaly.

Officially, Rudy Gobert holds the single-season dunk record with 308 dunks in his 2018-2019 season.

Dig a little deeper and you discover that the NBA only started recording dunk stats in 1996. You may note that Shaq was drafted to the Magic in 1992. This means that Shaq's first 4 seasons of dunks don't count.

And then I found this Topps Frequent Flyer basketball card that lists Shaq's rookie season dunk total as 322. Seems kinda bonkers. He blew away the record in his rookie season, and it was just mostly forgotten to time? I figured the card was a misprint or something.

Curious though, I tracked down a copy of the 1993 Sixers Media Guide on EBay. Sure enough, on page 146, it lists Shaq's 1992 dunk total as 322. It also lists his season high single-game dunk total as 13 (debatably, another record). If you're not familiar with the Sixers Media Guide and Harvey Pollack, this stuff is very reliable.

So now, Dwight Howard is typically credited as the career all-time dunk leader with 2,950 dunks. If you take Shaq's official career dunk total and add just that rookie season total, you get 2,948 dunks. Pretty sure he knocked down those 3 dunks and then some in the 3 additional seasons he played before dunk stats were introduced.

I just find this super interesting. We're awfully obsessed with data these days. It's getting to the point where we can analyze an entire playing field at specific timestamps. But for the majority of pro sports history you had to scrape together what you could from newspapers, books and memory.

And yet, in an attempt to frame discussion and debate in NBA media, it's convenient to just dismiss the numbers that you can't bring up on bballreference. And I get that we have to draw the lines somewhere, but this is data collected and printed by a very highly regarded NBA employee who basically set the bar for statistical analysis in the NBA.

There's a similar story that comes up with the triple-double debate. Long story short, Wilt probably had more triple-doubles than Westbrook by a lot, and they were almost all on blocking. But there's much less proof of that one.

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[–] YourWifeyBoyfriend@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Loved that card set

[–] ronaldo119@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I just knew Harvey Pollack's media guide would have this stuff in it and sure enough there it is lol. I'll give my Harvey Pollack bobblehead a head pat for good work

[–] shit_happe@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I'm just a casual -- if the NBA didn't keep track, who recorded these dunks in the meantime? Team statisticians?

[–] Goondragon1@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I'm in this bitch cause this thread will inevitably be goated and I'm okay with riding coattails ❤️

[–] bass-turds@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Shaq is a boss

[–] salmon10@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

How Shaq didn't win MVP his rookie season is beyond me. He wins it 10/10 times nowdays.

[–] Blaze_exa@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure if reddit should be trusted with stats anymore. Didn't they accuse someone falsely of padding stats and ended up getting steam only to turn out to be false.

[–] wasechillis@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

this is an off-season kinda post

[–] ImaginaryLock288@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] IgnorantGenius@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think we can call that record a slam dunk.

[–] Repostbot3784@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

"Proof"

For real tho i believe it, thats only 4 dunks per game. Ive seen shaq have 4 dunks in a quater.

[–] Ecstatic-Carpet-654@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

One for bad, two for good...

[–] LowPriorityAvenger@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

dota reference

[–] bratora97@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I thought athletic types bullied autists. Turns out they put r/nba on the front page

[–] Grandaddy5@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] mizzourifan1@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This needs to be on Inside the NBA so I can be apart of history. Also, I need to see Chuck try to refute the math.

[–] workthrowaway1985@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Look you did a lot of legwork on this but we're gonna need some footage of those 3 dunks before we proceed and give shaq that title

[–] Wubalubadubstep@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Man y’all have some crazy detective work going down in this sub every time I pop by

[–] 666uptheirons@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Sky Keeper vs Sky fucker.

[–] i_o_m_m_i@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Kaliisthesweethog@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I'VE GOT THAT CARD!!

[–] datgoup@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Giving Shaq reason to be mad about Rudy Gobert ? That's peak content.

[–] flyingdorito2000@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You’re gonna be famous for this one

[–] Internal-Board-8437@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] StarryScans@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Kareem and Wilt definitely broke 5k dunks barrier

[–] ejiggle@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't be official, as this was a team tracked stat before the NBA had procedures in place for this sort of thing. It's interesting and would make a fun Inside bit lol

[–] SeanKilpatrickFan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Nice work, this is cool

[–] Simbabwejoe@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

EJs Neato stat of the night incoming

[–] afatfilms@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

great post and discussion OP, upvoted. hope this blows up for ya

[–] Mike_SR@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I care about this stuff as well and so have a spreadsheet with all of Pollack’s dunk totals. He had 1,188 dunks in his 4 seasons before nba shot tracking begins in 1996-97. That includes 381 in 1993-94!

Pollack tracked 76ers dunks starting in 76-77 and then did it league-wide starting in 1987-88

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[–] Away_Sun_3040@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Great work. Get the info to Shaq's people. I think TNT could use someone doing deep dive into NBA stats.

[–] Name-Initial@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whats really crazy is that I’m surprised his record is only 322. Thats a ludicrous amount of dunks don’t get me wrong, but considering its Shaq I expected like 400 lol.

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[–] spidersilva09@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

No way this doesn't get picked up now. See ya on TNT OP. This kind of information is always interesting thanks for sharing

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[–] dolphinhot101@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Next time he has an argument with Chuck he could bring this up and say: "I have the most dunks, you have the most dunkin donuts"

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