It worries me that all those communities moving to Discord will one day suffer though all this all over again, once Discord enshittifies and drives them out. Relying on a closed, proprietary and centralized service for user-generated content is a bad idea, as we all learned already.
this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2023
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Of all places to host your community in, why Discord? Discord is not indexed by search engines. If you wrote a long, thought-provoking piece there (I've seen many people do it), it's practically lost forever after the discussion move a few screens forward in a few hours. People from the future can't benefit from what you wrote when they're searching for similar topic in a search engine. The same can be said with Telegram and WhatsApp groups which are popular in certain communities.
Discord is not indexed by search engines. If you wrote a long, thought-provoking piece there (I’ve seen many people do it), it practically lost forever after the discussion move a few screens forward in a few hours.
Some might consider that to be a plus. For certain types of communication, that ephemeral nature is preferred.
Me. I just like to troll without having my trolling sounds indexed by every search engine to ever exist. Why does google have to know the content of all my shitty jokes?
For some kinds of communication that ephemeral nature is desirable.
But reddit is the archive for so much information; just prior to the blackouts I discovered that just adding site:reddit.com to the end of Google searches gave vastly better results than searching the entire web.
I agree; Discord is great for voice chatting, but I can’t follow conversations in there. Maybe I’m getting too old but it’s not a style that I think is a natural evolution from Reddit.
Also -- unless I am missing something here, with Discord you are seeing posts in a strictly chronological order. Yes, you can like and react to posts, but that won't bubble and auto-curate great content to the top. I was once in a very popular Discord and the amount of random posts filling up the feed made me leave it after some time.
Discord has a built in forum like interface, it's quite decent - but as others have said, it's not indexed by google and thus pretty useless for newcomers.
Oh it does? And with those forums you can vote content up to make them more visible? I thought it was just an endless stream in various channels.
Naw it doesn't have upvote and downvote options, it works more like a traditional forum.
Boy, me too. Completely news to me; I am getting old! 😂
It will probably happen soon also. :/ The global economic situation that drove Reddit and Twitter to desperation applies to everyone else also.
I don't know what 196 is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
Literally just ppl post whatever tf they want there lmao. The only rule is "post shit". I always thought it was weird
I think the rule is more like "post anything, as long as you post something". It doesn't have to be shit, but it usually is.
LOL.. the link they have for the 3D Printing community is just some guy posting "Balls" over and over again.. Not so sure they got that one right.
Edit: Also... the expanse sub moving to discord is big sad.. Wish they'd recreate that sub somewhere on the fediverse instead..
Creating an instance is not free and requires some effort (including a little research). Discord is free and creating a server is as easy as falling off a log. I don't like Discord, but let's be objective about why this happens.
@TooL
In case you haven't heard: The Expanse sub mods are testing a kbin instance. It is expected to become available soon.
Thanks for the heads up, that's awesome news.
Thank you for posting!
To anyone else: Any thoughts on when/if we'll be able to subscribe to communities on kbin from lemmy?
It's working for me right now, the only trick is to use the URL in the search bar instead of the !@ format.
Ah, thanks for this. I am on mobile so had to remember to expand the sidebar in order to see the subscribe button.
~~This is not working for me, I'm trying to subscribe to https://kbin.social/m/aspiememes but nothing is showing up.~~
So you have to make sure the search is set to "All" and not "Community"
But apparently, nothing is showing up on the page itself. Bug? https://beehaw.org/c/aspiememes@kbin.social
It's actually working, but there is no recent activity on that community around the time you add that community, which is why it appear empty. To manually populate your instance with the older posts, try copy pasting the old individual posts you'd like to "pull" in the search page.
I noticed that too on my instance, but maybe 10 minutes after subscribing posts started federating properly.
You actually can already.
If no one has done it already, you’ll take the full URL to the “magazine” on kbin and pop it in the search bar.
After a few moments it should pop up and you should be able to navigate to the channel and subscribe.
An example of a kbin community on my instance: https://lolimbeer.com/c/mechanicalkeyboards@kbin.social
I gotcha. It's a bit fiddly on mobile but see what you mean. Thanks!
It’s all completely fiddly, lol.
It’s neat! But there’s a definitely a lot of things that aren’t quite that intuitive.
Glad I was able to help though!
Thanks for posting this. It will help me replace a few more of the subreddits I loved going to with Lemmy alternatives. I might still need to go to Reddit for a couple of subreddits (one local one and one hobby one), but my goal is to reduce my Reddit usage as much as possible.
Same here. Dumb question but are you using Lemmy to organize kbin? What’s the difference?
It's roughly equivalent to using Outlook versus Thunderbird for your email. Same protocol, same ability to interact, but different codebase, slightly different interface, and possibly a few tweaks around the edges where the protocol itself doesn't demand a certain way of doing things.
So, for instance, a "!" link in Lemmy doesn't work in kbin, but remove the exclamation point and it will be fine. A Lemmy community is identical to a Kbin magazine. Properly configured and federated, a Lemmy and a Kbin instance are completely interoperable with each other. Kbin has the "microblog" tab that integrates it better with Mastodon, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion around that part of things, since link aggregation is driving the current increase in users.
Dang. No NCD...I need my war shit posting fix
Great resource, thank you!
For some reason, this site is basically unusable in Firefox Android for me, as I can only scroll at dreadfully slow speed and what feels like 1 fps. Everything is fine on desktop though.
Weird, I don't have this issue. I'm using a Zenfone 9.
Huh. It actually runs fine for me on android and firefox. I did the thing though where you can download a website as an app:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/use-web-apps-firefox-android
Let me know if that runs any better for you.
Works fine for me, Galaxy S23. Maybe try clearing the site cache+cookies. Tap the little lock icon in your URL bar to do that.
Good to see this list growing, hopefully it continues to grow
Useful indeed. I'll have to make a note of that.
This is really handy! Thank you!
this is so cool!
Is raddle federated with lemmy and kbin? Haven't seen any of those posts show up here - just now learning about it
I've read elsewhere that raddle is pretty anti-federation which is really stupid
It is not, it doesn't use the ActivityPub protocol.
Great resource, thanks!
This is tremendously helpful thanks for posting!
Oh boy, unfortunate choice of words for the slogan given the news lately
We need a replacement for r/frugal 😃
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