LeBron’s rookie season wasn't that good. Melo probably should have been ROTY
this post was submitted on 13 Nov 2023
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He increased their win total by 18 games. One of the reasons they couldn't draft high in the lottery and couldn't get talent to make the cavs better. That cavs team was not good. However you could make a good case melo deserved to win.
How about those TO’s?
People in this thread don't know what rts is
I'm assuming you do? What's the formula? You must be sooooooooooooooooo much smarter than us
Sure, it's literally just pt/(2°fga+0.44°fta) and then you subtract the players ts to league average ts at the time to compare the efficiency relative to era. The reason I brought it up is because people responding to op about how you can't compare eras when there's literally ways to compare eras, which he's using. I can concede the scoring inflation from the deadball era, but LeBron and him are scoring at about the same rate at 20 ppg per 100, which accounts for differing pace of game in different eras
So finally we all agree that Lebron's stats since the mid 2010s are inflated too right? People don't seem to keen to draw Lebron's recent stats up to pace and space.
Yes, they absolutely are. This doesn't make him worse at all since what he's doing is still unprecedented and he's already proved enough to make him the second greatest player ever but the stats he's been accumulating recently aren't the reason for that.
Lebron in the 4 year span from the age of 35-38 was putting up better stats than he was in Miami at his absolute peak. I doubt any sane person believes that that version of Lakers Lebron was anywhere close to Miami Lebron who was the most complete player the league had ever seen. It's just that the game developed, completely out of luck on his part, in the exact way that completely suits the playstyle he has always been best at. Lebron, at his core, is a drive and kick player who performs best surrounded by shooters. The league moved in this direction due to the 3-point revolution started by Curry and Lebron's numbers have held up longer than previously thought possible due to that fact. This version of Lebron wouldn't be averaging nearly as much as he is if you put him in the 2000's or early 2010's (but he'd still be the best player at his age ever). Lebron's size is also a major factor. The late 2010's were filled with smaller players and there weren't really many true big men playing. This further helped Lebron play on the inside more and more. He was never particularly effective against true C's and PF's even when he was at his peak.
This applies to everyone though. Stats and efficiency today are really elevated due to the crazy spacing that the league currently has. Put the great scorers of the 2000's in this era and the added pace and better spacing would see them averaging insane numbers just like Lebron has been able to despite his age. Kobe, T-Mac, Iverson, and Wade would be even more impossible to guard if you couldn't effectively hedge towards them for fear of the kick-out pass to a shooter.
I don’t know why this seems controversial. This doesn’t “prove” anything, it’s just really cool to see Wemby come out this strong.
I thought OP was talking about THIS season, the narratives we’re about to be crazy🔥
If wemby came into the league with prime shaq, Tim, kg, etc. his numbers wouldn’t be this. We should enjoy wemby without comparing him to others.
Why are you comparing age 18 LeBron to age 19 Wemby?
Lebron averaged 27/7/7 when he was Wemby’s age
I'm comparing them both in their rookie seasons...? Does Wemby have an age 18 season in the NBA?
Dumb post, era and play style is completely different. At least use per 100 stats if you’re making this comparison.