I learned a lot this year. I think our media exalts the peaceful bloodless protest, because it is a comforting lie to think you are an honorable person for being passive and not resisting.
this post was submitted on 12 Jun 2025
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I've become radicalised, and I wonder how many more allies we gained just this year alone
It's not the guy who throws the brick who gets shot, it's the one who was standing next to him.
Back in the day, the IWW would have their own security squads who'd take care of anyone who showed up at a protest looking to start trouble.
So the IWW had their own police? Not a good look
showed up at a protest looking to start trouble.
Isnt that the point? Creating trouble to stop the deportations? Of course there should be places and space for actions where people can participate that dont want to riot / be near a riot.
Of course there should be places and space for actions where people can participate that dont want to riot / be near a riot.
Life isn't a video game. People don't get to choose where they will be when some idiot decides to play hero of the revolution.
Also, the people who were showing up to start trouble were usually police agents or locals who thought that it would be fun to throw a rock at a cop. The IWW people knew more about police violence then you ever will; they were around before Miranda Rights and body cams. If they thought having a team there was a good idea, you should learn from them.
Like I said, it's not the person who throws the brick who gets the consequences, it's someone else. If you have the desire to walk up to a cop and slap them, go ahead. Don't expect other people to get hurt because of you.
You are acting as if police brutality and police murder are the fault of those that throw the first stone. Its not. Its not like peacefulness or being passive makes you safe from police brutality, because you have very limited control how the police as a whole and how individual cops actually act.
Also, the people who were showing up to start trouble were usually police agents or locals who thought that it would be fun to throw a rock at a cop. The IWW people knew more about police violence then you ever will; they were around before Miranda Rights and body cams. If they thought having a team there was a good idea, you should learn from them.
That mght be true in the time you are talking about, but currently rioting is a thing many people do and its shown to be effective. The George Floyd uprising was as big and powerful because of the rioting and not despite it.
This does not mean disregarding past experiences, but (to me seemingly) more recent experiences show the power of riots and the ways anarchists can show solidarity, especially in the context of the so call USA.
I also think calling for peacefulness when friends, families, colleges, neighbors, comrades get disappeared is just not what is needed in these circumstances and its also not stopping any of this.
I also think calling for peacefulness when friends, families, colleges, neighbors, comrades get disappeared is just not what is needed in these circumstances and its also not stopping any of this.
First, look up Martin Luther King. He called for non-violence in a situation that was much worse, against a tougher foe.
Second, who made you leader? Who decided that you had the right to instigate violence? Because you keep ignoring my basic point, that it's not going to be the one who throws the brick who will get caught.
Wow, I was joking around when I proposed that you've been spending all your time pestering people to feel important, but you're really good for nothing else. This is pathetic. That's an easy block.
I also think calling for peacefulness when friends, families, colleges, neighbors, comrades get disappeared is just not what is needed in these circumstances and its also not stopping any of this.
You are a very funny guy.
First, look up Martin Luther King. He called for non-violence in a situation that was much worse, against a tougher foe.
So? I dont agree with him.
Second, who made you leader? Who decided that you had the right to instigate violence?
I am not presenting as an authority figure or as anyones boss. I am fine if you dont want to join. I think thats totally valid. But I can "instigate violence" because its covered by the instance rules, because its not looked down upon in this community and because from my anarchist perspective it seems to be one of the most effective actions you can currently take.
Because you keep ignoring my basic point, that it's not going to be the one who throws the brick who will get caught.
Its just a statement without any reasoning, proof or context. As I have shown multiple times in our discussion, I value different viewpoints especially if they get brought forward kn good faith. But valuing them doesnt mean I have to agree with everything you say.
Do you think you can throw a brick at a cop and the police won't respond and start breaking every head they can find?
Folks in Minneapolis burned down a whole police station after throwing bricks. This is of course an extreme example but it should show the possibilities of how it could go instead.
Ever heard of Kent State?
That wasn't even particularly violent, and four people died.
I heard of it. Sounded really scary and awful. I do not get your point tho
I do not get your point tho
Well, if you honestly can't comprehend people dying that is a good reason for you not to involve yourself in any activities outside of your home.
Maybe you should try talking to people you know who are smarter than you and ask them to explain.
So either the person doing it does or does not get the consequences. Both can not be true.
Like I said, it’s not the person who throws the brick who gets the consequences, it’s someone else. If you have the desire to walk up to a cop and slap them, go ahead. Don’t expect other people to get hurt because of you.
- Person next to attacker gets consequences.
- Do not expect person next to attacker to get consequences.
Don’t expect other people to get hurt because of you.
Don't [create a situation where] other people get hurt because of [your actions]
[stop] resisting [arrest]
I'll reiterate my original point.
Back in the day, the IWW and other radical groups had their own folks in the crowd to make sure that no one threw a rock at a cop. The cops loved to send in bad actors who would give them an excuse to come in.
Some one who throws a brick is putting everyone else's safety at risk. If you really feel the need to fight a cop, go up and punch them yourself. Don't hide behind someone's grandmother and call yourself a hero.
Ahhh, so without the "don't". Then it makes sense.
Sure, but those actions need to be targeted and strategic. Vandalism that doesn’t impede state violence isn’t helpful.