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Can someone share the whole message please?

Can't say I wasn't expecting this. We haven't had the last of the deep-dive posts, and the setbacks to AMD 13 looked from the outside to be (rightly) taking up huge amounts of attention. The rumored Mid-November start date that floated around was never going to happen.

I wonder what counts as 'substantial Q4 units' means in this context? Are we talking like, review units only before new years? Or will they have things going, just pushed back a little?

Not going to lie, I'm pretty bummed out. I just snuck into batch 5 to hopefully get mine before Christmas, and now it's not gonna happen. Doubly annoying since my current laptop is -unironically- held together with duct tape.

Please don't get me wrong - FW's transparency and mindset here is absolutely top-notch, and I'm 100% behind it. And to paraphrase their reasoning, I'd rather have a quality product tomorrow than a piece of crap today.

Point #5 is most important to me. My FW16 will never run as a Wintendo. Having gone with the dGPU option (not a cheap option) I expect it to work properly with Linux from the start... Especially considering Framework doesn't allow dropping the dGPU option without canceling the entire order and going to the back of the line with a new order.

Take the extra time, get FW16 working well on both major OSes from day 1 (absent a list of minor known issues which can definitively be fixed with a firmware update released quickly after launch). If the first 4 batches have a bunch of Linux issues for which I can't envision obvious workarounds - Recognizing I have 25+ years of Linux desktop/laptop experience to go on - My batch 5 order will be cancelled and I'll wait for "gen 2" next year.

As much as I hate my System76 Oryx Pro (explained elsewhere in r/framework) it does (mostly) work a few weeks past 3 years old. I'm not desperate enough for a new laptop to accept (another) machine with problems out of the box.

If I wanted another problem laptop I'd have gone with a 2023 Oryx Pro or a Dell XPS 17. Instead I opted for FW16 expecting it to be done properly rather than in a hurry and on the cheap.

All in all I'm looking forward to FW16 once its fully ready. FW16 ticks the items I explicitly wanted in replacing the Oryx Pro - 16-17" screen with 16:10 aspect (not 16:9), numeric keypad eliminated (or optional) in favor of a centered keyboard, fully AMD - No Intel or Nvidia CPU/GPU (dGPU was optional on my requirements list), and socketed RAM/SSDs. As far as I'm aware FW16 is the only option available ticking all of those items... Especially the numpad/offset keyboard I've come to find incredibly annoying... Ditching the numpad is one of the few things Apple has gotten right since the m68k PowerBook era.

Tuning capacitor noise - In some scenarios, capacitors on high power switching regulators have high frequency noise. We’re adjusting both the capacitor count and swapping the necessary ones out to low-noise capacitors.

I'm very glad they're paying attention to this. High-frequency whines are infuriating. My old Dell XPS 15 9560 had whines of different frequencies for the CPU, GPU, SSD, and power supply. (On the plus side, I've learned to tell where system is bottlenecked just based on the sound...)

Guess this Christmas present is going to be a card in a box saying it’s coming soon.

OP, why such a cryptic post? Was very confused until I read other comments to get some context, lol.

As a batch4 customer I don't mind. It's not like I have a pressing need for it ASAP.

Rather have it "right" than fast

Hope batch 1 comes this year! If not, something to continue looking forward to!