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[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 68 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Everyone saying Ukraine was less a threat to Russia than Iran is to Isreal is 100% right. That is a valid point. Thing is, just being a threat is not a valid reason to bomb another country. What Merkel fails to do is provide a legal argument for Isreal and US bombing Irans nuclear facilties.

It is just more of the 'Germany should stand behind Israel because of what Germans did to Jews in WW2'. I'd much rather see her 'stand behind victims of Genocide because of what Germans did to earlier victims of genocide'. German politicians are morally wrong with these arguments.

International law is neutral. It is obvious Iran did not start this war. Iran breaking agreements does not give anyone carte-blanche for bombing them, nor does Iran supplying weapons to Russia. Israel bypassed the UN as well. Netanyahu needs to be brought to The Hague. Trump and Khominei too while we're at it, but I guess those would be separate cases.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 33 points 1 week ago (25 children)

Notably, Iran did not break any agreements. America did and Europe toed the party line.

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[–] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also, the opposite is true. Israel is a big threat to Iran. Would Iran have been justified in bombing Israel first?

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago

Totally, might use that argument someday because i find it difficult to explain to some people what 'unprovoked' means in this case.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Fuck you merkle, you genocide denialist

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago (13 children)

To be perfectly clear: at no point has Iran (a non nuclear power) actually existentially threatened Israel (a nuclear power). Netanyahu's and the Israeli far right's opportunistically alarmist rhetoric is not fact.

Merkel is just parroting Israeli far-right talking points with no basis in fact.

This is yet another example of the German political establishment taking extremist pro-israeli positions. Contemptible, shameful fucks.

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[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don’t fully agree that Israel is violating international law. When a country’s existence is being questioned by Iran or Hamas, it’s not so easy to respond strictly within the framework of international law,

So if you read international law strictly, it is a violation of it she just disagrees with? She was imo better than our current ICC-ignoring Merz, but come on.

People should reflect how they reacted to this article of Germany's options to develop nukes from 3 months ago. While seen as "scummy", I doubt anyone would accept a preemptive strike on countries doing what the article calls "nuclear hedging".

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago

Imagine instead of asking a lawyer or a judge or a jury in court we would go and ask politicians whether they think someone did or did not break the law. Would be a very different world than the one we have now. And not in a good way.

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago

Merkel really needed another Mossad paycheck?

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am ashamed my country has to rely on people like these to keep existing. We aren't really in a position to turn down the help, though

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[–] EverXIII@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Is Merkel losing her perspective? Israel’s actions clearly aim to erase the Palestinian presence—only the willfully blind can deny it. Whether or not Russia’s attacks are legal, supporting Israel is a mistake. Angela, you’re smarter than this. Sometimes, silence is wiser than misguided statements.

Free Palestine

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

a painful part of thinking you were a leftists, but we're actually a liberal, reading and becoming an actual leftists, is learning that those I thought were "good" were not, they just weren't as bad as others.

don't criticise me, I already said I was wrong, and I'm glad to have changed.

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