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  • The EU Citizens petition to stop killing games is not looking good. It's shy of halfway where it needs to be, on a very high threshold, and it's over in a month and change.
  • paraphrasing a little more than a half hour of the video: "Man, fuck Thor/Pirate Software for either lying or misunderstanding and signal boosting his incorrect interpretation of the campaign."
  • The past year has been quite draining on Ross, so he's done campaigning after next month.
  • It will still take a few years for the dust to clear at various consumer protection bureaus in 5 different countries, and the UK's seems to be run by old men who don't understand what's going on.
  • At least The Crew 2 and Motorfest will get offline modes as a consolation prize?
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[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 68 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ah you know, not the outcome I hoped for but it's exactly what I expected from humans.

paraphrasing a little more than a half hour of the video: “Man, fuck Thor/Pirate Software for either lying or misunderstanding and signal boosting his incorrect interpretation of the campaign.”

I agreed with Ross previously that Thor taking a really dumb fuck position helped get more attention on the issue that was, IMO, as hopeless as trying to get the masses to care about or understand Net Neutrality. That was what I saw repeated and upvoted at the time even before Thor revealed himself to be a gigantic narcissistic nepo baby bullshitter more recently.

If you watched the vid OP, what changed his opinion? I'll check it out once I'm home from work regardless.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

what changed his opinion?

The metrics on signatures for the citizens' initiative. If it helped, it would have boosted those too, but it didn't. He also got word that at least one very large YouTuber/streamer that he did not name decided to stay quiet about SKG because it would have contradicted Thor.

I'll also reiterate that 1M signatures out of a population of 450M is an absurdly high threshold to have to reach, so getting 1/10th of that is still impressive, even if it's unsuccessful.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck whoever stayed quiet then

"Oh no, I might contradict the annoying moron who is wrong! I can't be seen as being on the opposite of that!"

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Man, so many influencers do this. It's really a shame what kind of world we are building. People who actually have reach - influencers, staying quiet about real issues in fear of cutting the hand that feeds them. Off topic but damn if it doesn't hold true.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He also got word that at least one very large YouTuber/streamer that he did not name decided to stay quiet about SKG because it would have contradicted Thor.

So, Asmongold. Got it!

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[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am not following Thor very much, what did he do recently?

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's all incredibly online, but searching the keywords "piratesoftware WoW drama onlyfangs" will get the ball rolling if you want to see a prime example of how a narcissist acts when getting caught out very publicly. He also embellished his past a lot and that got parroted in every thread mentioning him for months, so that shouldn't be hard to stumble upon.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget throwing his LGBT fans under the bus to have a happy conversation with asmongold and basically inviting the cunts fanbase to harass his LGBT viewers.

Then when said viewers tell him that he was wrong for that and now they are being harassed, he said people were trying to cancel him for having a normal conversation with asmongold about a video game.

That shit pissed me off so much. Pretentious cunt...

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

I hadn't heard about that since I quit reddit. That might be the new best of the worst examples of his incapability of admitting fault ever.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is a PR issue. For some bizarre reason they decided that game preservation should be independent of the right to repair movement a movement that had fairly significant momentum by the time they started talking about games preservation. So for some insane reason they separated the two concepts in people's minds and that resulted in nobody caring.

Then they decided to whine about the fact that it was unsuccessful despite the fact that they'd essentially done everything they could to kneecap the movement.

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[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 42 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I am still of the opinion that they aimed too small and focused too narrow. Games are a "luxury" anyone can live without and it's hard to rally grassroots support behind protecting something that people only use for entertainment. Yeah it's low stakes to force them to let you continue to play it after servers shut down but the same low stakes also makes the petition itself pretty ignorable to anyone who's not a very invested "gamer".

Actual right to repair and right to continue to access to the software and services and devices you buy goes SO far beyond mere games, there are other huge impacts to society from exactly the same problem that leads to game servers being shut down, and this petition ignored them completely to focus exclusively on games. I know that was done purposefully, but I think it was a miscalculation.

I'm convinced it could have got a lot of support if it had broader aims. Yes if you go after the big boys who are locking down tractor parts and integrated electronic modules so they become obsolete and unrepairable and directly impacting farmers and our food supply, you're going to REALLY piss off some very big business interests who are going to try and kill your petition, but you're also going to help educate and hopefully get a lot of support from politicians who already know this is a problem and from the general public who doesn't care about games but does care about society (at least once they're properly educated about it, which is hard but also a necessary and positive step to even attempt).

[–] lime@feddit.nu 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

that was sort of the point though. a big case with a narrow focus can later be used as a fulcrum for a wider scope, given that the original case has the right spin. it's also easier than going after the anti-repair people.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But politicians will actually be prepared to get behind right to repair. But they regard games as a bit infantile, and don't really want to be involved. A point that was made right at the start of all of this and was then completely ignored.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

that's an assumption. for all we know they would have connected the two, or seen one as harmless and implemented it, or lobbied against both.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People are already talking about to right to repair, so why not take advantage of that, why make life more difficult for yourself than it needs to be?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

because to most people software is not a thing that can be repaired.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So how is that different?

I don't understand, the arguement is whether or not they should have equated this to the right to repair movement, and then you say you think that's a bad idea but I don't understand your justification. Your justification seems to be that people don't care about software, but my if they do not care about software, then they also do not care about hardware, and therefore your comment is irrelevant.

I literally don't understand your justification for not equating game preservation to right to repair.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 1 day ago

i was on mobile so i was keeping it terse. let's see if i can expand a bit now that i'm at a keyboard.

the right to repair movement is fighting companies that deliberately make it harder to fix things, so that customers will have to use company services to repair their stuff, or buy new stuff. john deere and apple are two big players here, with cryptographical signatures built into parts that void the warranty if they don't match. this is actively adversarial behavior and should plainly be illegal. skg, on the other hand, is fighting companies that just leave their stuff to rot. they're just neglecting their product once there is no profit in it, which you can't really say about e.g. john deere; they are obligated by law to provide parts for the things they sell for x amount of years after they no longer sell the product itself.

so, the two are in different legal frameworks: right to repair is trying to stop capture of the spare parts market, while skg is fighting for there to even be a spare parts market. and that's where my previous point comes in: while machines are inherently understood to be repairable (because they used to be) and the fact that companies are trying to clamp down on that is plainly obvious, software has never been generally understood to be changeable by the end user. it has always been an enthusiast/professional-only thing.

so, equating the two may harm either
a) rtr, because of the assumption that only people with the correct credentials should have access to repair parts,
b) skg, because of the assumption that they want companies to provide support for things for up to several years like in the parts market, or
c) both, because of the assumption that they want the same thing, which, if implemented, would make neither side happy.

i'm not 100% sure i'm making sense here, because on some level i do think they share similarities. of course they do. but how do you present that to a group of amateurs (legislators) in a coherent way? i don't think you can without harming either cause.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 0 points 1 day ago

Games are a luxury that happen to be the biggest market of the entertainment industry with more revenue than music and movies combined.

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[–] Speiser0@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)
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[–] DeusUmbra@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I feel like this needs to be spread as far and wide as possible, and for PirateSoftware to be mass reported for misinformation about an ongoing political initiative.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I understand why he's frustrated. EU citizens are just so damn lazy and won't help themselves. I've told all my friends and family, brought it up at parties and other gatherings to anybody who plays games. But there are EU gamers (streamers and consumers alike) who are chronically online, on every proprietary platform out there and who don't give 2 shits about the campaign.

Edit: Fuck Thor.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's not true. The petition to ban gay conversion therapy achieved the same number of signatures within days. This is just much more niche.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gaming is the biggest entertainment industry on the planet. Globally it generates more money than music and movies combined. Germany alone had an estimated 49 million players in 2022 (wikipedia), with France 45 million and Italy 36 million. Even if they were wrong by one decimal that would still make more than 12 million in those 3 countries alone.

The vast majority of European gamers are just too lazy to do anything in their own self-interest. It's embarrassing.

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[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm quite lost (disinterested) on MCU stuff as of late, what's going on about Thor? Is there a game?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

thor is a tech youtuber. it's just his actual name.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Its not his actual name. Its Jason.

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[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Huh. The things I miss out of these days!

[–] YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

You didn’t miss a thing

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