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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Next we'll see all US cops wearing masks in their regular day to day activities, like in the Watchmen series.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

I agree with that the abusive cops and ice is insane in the US, and it should be stopped. I also believe that the US is a corrupt nation in nearly every place of the government and surrounding instances.

But a question surround this, what if the US wasn't corrupt and the judges would actually follow the law (juries wouldn't be able to exist for most cases) and hypothetical if the US had privacy laws for everything besides businesses wouldn't this be the same punishable offence that would protect citizens?

In GDPR countries (among others) nobody is allowed to do something like this with face recognition because the law works for everybody. (Some people are trying to destroy this in some countries, though).

At the same time, if the government is allowed to use facial recognition and other anti-privacy measures to identify people where there is no ground to, then why shouldn't the people be able to do that?

Edit: I am not from the US and my look on life and trias political situations is different than what the fuck is happening in the US

[–] xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

In GDPR countries (among others) nobody is allowed to do something like this with face recognition because the law works for everybody.

Lmao, in france facial recognition is being rolled out all over and we got laws explicitly prohibiting the filming of cops (ofcourse, the only reasonable action to take against the documented brutality of the pigs /s)

[–] tschesky@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not from the U.S. either, so a lot of that is coming from a place of ignorance, so bear with me please. But the way I understand it, is that the website just lets you look up name and badge number - things that police officers (at least in most jurisdictions) are obliged to provide upon request, but often fail to do so in recent U.S. developments. So one could argue that this is more about access to information that should be available anyway, rather than doxxing people for the fun of it, right?

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

You don't want the name of the piece of shit that fuck us a traffic stop and shoots your neurodivergent teenager daughter in the face to stay anonymous; not you, or your community, nor anyone wants that.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 0 points 11 hours ago

Yeah I guess, I didn't know that the name was public information. It doesn't really make sense to me why that is needed. Imo the badge number should be enough to file a formal complaint somewhere and get somebody to act according to that complaint.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well, the US Supreme court did explicitely say cops have no expectation of anonymity while doing their job. This is completely legal. Its premised on the idea that cops arent there to be abusive but to uphold the law, which is not always actually true. The root of the problem is cops behavior themselves rather than the recording or identifying of them. Up until very recently cops at least had their names visible and were required to show ID upon request.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 0 points 15 hours ago

I believe you that it is legal and maybe it should be in the US.

I am just saying that it would be a weird thing if the US ever added more privacy laws since this kinda contradicts this. I believe that the badge number should be enough for some other party to punish cops when needed. But I do not live in the US so my point of view is already a bit different on this entire situation

If the police weren't unaccountable invaders, and just, liked, issued annoying tickets or whatever instead of murdering children and doing to crowds of peaceful civilians things that would be war crimes if done to uniformed enemy soldiers literally any tike they assemble, or even if the obes who actually did that stuff were punished literally at all when they did, i don't think anyone would have even thought to do this.

They are abd they do and they don't, though.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 17 points 1 day ago (7 children)

In GDPR countries (among others) nobody is allowed to do something like this with face recognition because the law works for everybody.

IDK the specifics of GDPR (and GDPR is relatively new, so it will continue to evolve for some time...)

In my view: the police are public servants, salaries and pensions paid by taxes. They have voluntarily chosen to serve as public servants. Whole hosts of studies show that police who are actively involved with the communities they police, seeing, being seen, being known by the neighborhoods they work in, those police are more effective at preventing crime, defusing domestic disputes, etc. than faceless thugs with batons and guns who only show up when they are going to use their arrest powers to shut down whatever is going on.

If I were to write "my version" of the GDPR that I think the US should enact, there would be clear exceptions for public servants, including police and politicians. Now, you can get into the whole issue of "undercover cops" which is clearly analogous to "secret police" which may be a necessary evil for some circumstances, but that's not what is going on with OP's website. OP is providing a tool to compare photos to a public database of photographs of public servants - not undercover cops. By the way: performance is spec'ed at 1 to 3 seconds per photo comparison, so 9000 photos might take 9000-27000 seconds to compare, that's 2.5 to 7.5 hours to run one photo search.

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[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The answer is that I don't think it matters because the US or any other society will never reach some utopic standard of privacy. So long as we live in a world where facial recognition is possible - it is better to regulate it strongly than attempt to prohibit it.

In a modern globalized world the old privacy is dead, no matter how you look at it. Going forward something new will need to be built out of the ashes, be it a new privacy or something better/worse.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 6 points 1 day ago (9 children)

the judges would actually follow the law (juries wouldn’t be able to exist for most cases)

A core tenet of the law is the right to trial by a jury of your peers.

Jury trials have a very similar flaw to democracy.

Think of an average person you know, how stupid are they? Now, realize that half the people out there are stupider than that.

An average randomly selected jury is going to be composed of 50% below average intelligence people.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

(juries wouldn't be able to exist for most cases)

What does this mean?

Edit: read further down that you're in a country that doesn't guarantee jury trials so I'm guessing you're referring to some kind of criteria not being met to trigger a trial by jury

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

In my opinion you should look at the law objectively, a group of people who aren't fully educated on the law and aren't trained in being objective will not form an objective opinion.

Juries would be fine to give advice to the judge on how the public sees it, but they shouldn't have a real impact on the outcome of the situation. That should be a question of executing the law.

We have no trial by jury in The Netherlands and the international court of law doesn't have a jury either. The just have 15 judges to decide the outcome.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah... As someone who has been on a jury, I have to disagree completely. Putting people's lives into the hands of one (most likely old, straight, white dude in the case of the US) single person is an awful idea. The concept of a trial by a jury of your peers is far from perfect, but it works relatively well.

For an example a single judge being responsible for ruining the lives of thousands of children as a result of outright quid pro quo, look into "cash for kids" scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

Who say it has to be one man, it doesn't have to be one person.

But as somebody who has studied a couple laws (tax laws, some general laws etc) I can tell you that there is so much going on that somebody who hasn´t studied about it shouldn´t have an impactfull stay in it.

In the article you linked had this in the second sentance:

In 2008, judges Michael Conahan and Mark Ciavarella were convicted of accepting money in return for imposing harsh adjudications on juveniles to increase occupancy at a private prison operated by PA Child Care.[2]

Yes, if corruption is rampant in your country than no it doesn't work, but that also means a jury can be bought. Probably harder though, so I guess you have a point. I know the US is a corrupt nation, but I always think of it not being a corrupt country. The absurd legal fees, getting paid for more than the actual damages among other things don´t really help to get a second opinion in terms of a lawsuit which everybody in at least the western world has a right to as far as I know.

In NL we do often have cases with only 1 judge, but for important cases we will have 3 judges.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 395 points 2 days ago (15 children)

I get the impression that the cops are about to hate facial recognition all of the sudden, for no particular reason

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 171 points 2 days ago (25 children)

There's a reason ICE conceal their faces.

They know what they're doing is wrong and don't want to be held accountable if their fascist rule collapses.

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[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 69 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Cameras. They fucking hate body cameras. When it clears them of wrongdoing, they have the video ready. When they 'accidentally' shoot a guy nine times in the back of the head, video seems to be missing.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

easily solvable problem: losing the footage is indication of guilt. you shoot someone, you better have it ready. it malfunctioned, better have a partner who has theirs ready. if no one has footage to clear you, it's used as evidence of guilt.

of course pussy ass lawmakers will never do that.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Ever wonder why the uh, default cop idle stance, the at ease stance.... is each hand up at it's shoulder, elbows bent, in front of chest?

Because that way they can very, very easily, and casually, bump their chestcam, obsure its view, muffle the sound.

"In all forms of strategy, it is necessary to maintain the combat stance in everyday life and to make your everyday stance your combat stance."

  • Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings.
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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago

Should be the ice agents too

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 122 points 2 days ago
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 137 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If only CSI enhancing worked in real life, we could out the asshole on the far left.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

far left

From his PoV, he's actually standing on the far-right. Fitting lol

[–] teft@lemmy.world 150 points 2 days ago
[–] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 154 points 2 days ago
[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lmao let's see how long it takes them to shut this down

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 116 points 2 days ago

This is ILLEGAL when Working Class people Do It!

-Chuck Schumer at Some Point probably!

[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (10 children)

nice.

Is there one for ice too?

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 93 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Is it me or is LA the only part of America doing anything resembling resistance?

[–] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 105 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think it's mainly LA that is seeing a large invasion of federal forces

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[–] Gudl@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago

This is nice. Use their own weapons against these fuckers.

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