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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. There are a lot of examples of people who were part of the kkk who has others help them figure out that hate wasn’t the way.

It’s why when I hear people say just ignore the other side and don’t talk to them, it bothers me. Who is going to help them if you don’t?

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I am more concerned by the people that encourage violence towards others, including people with pretty awful ideological beliefs like KKK members.

Like, you're really going to say that your ideology is better than theirs, and the way you prove it is by.... treating them just as badly as they treat others...? That doesn't show your ideology is better, it's exactly the same just a different flavor. Treating them violently isn't going to change their mind, it will only cause them to become deeper rooted in their beliefs, and will continue to perpetuate the cycle of hatred that causes violence in the first place. But changing the mind of even just one is a goal all should have. Human society has no place for hate.

Its important to note that having no place for hatred does not mean all things need to be accepted by all people. People can show love or kindness to a person without accepting what they choose to do or think. They're not mutually exclusive. If, for example, I say "I hate when you wear a red shirt," that doesn't mean I hate you. I can still show love and kindess and not accept that you're wearing a red shirt at the same time. And you likewise have the freedom to say "I hate when you wear a blue shirt," and still can show love and kindess regardless.

[–] knivesandchives@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

Anecdotally, it would seem so.

I think it depends on the root of the hatred. An awful lot of hatred comes from ignorance, and when people dispell the ignorance, the hatred follows.

But sometimes the hatred is so fundamental to someone's lived experiences that even if it's obviously wrong, it's absolutely true to them. In those cases, I suspect it would be harder to let go of it.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone is different, so I don't think we can lump everyone together and say "all people do X". Sometimes people grow. Sometimes new life experiences change our outlook on life.

For me personally, I had some opinions based on hate, but as I made friends with people that I "hated", I started to realize that I couldn't be more wrong about them. For me, I was brainwashed by people that claimed to be religious leaders, but didn't practice anything near what said religion claimed to be about. It's not an excuse, and I should have known better. But I can't change the past. I can only try to be better.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

To your credit, you eventually figured it out and grew. Cult leader brainwashing is a powerful thing and often occurs in an echo chamber so you shouldn't blame yourself for not being able to see through it sooner.

[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think many have beliefs rooted in hatred. Most "hateful" beliefs are rooted in fear and ignorance. I don't usually look to pop culture for my moral philosophy, but I believe Yoda said it best:

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

It's why leaving a podunk town to go to college usually makes people much more liberal and open-minded; they're exposed to new ideas and a wider variety of people. Their fear of the unknown is replaced with connections to real people and experiential knowledge that everyone is an individual, no matter what their identity's social stereotype may be.

In my experience, the path to enlightenment is paved with love and understanding. No matter how hateful & misguided a person may be, as long as they're not a literal psycho/sociopath, showing them genuine compassion and a willingness to listen, not just preach, will almost always have a positive impact.

[–] Braindead@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well there's this black guy who converted a ton of KKK members, which I think answers your question. See this NPR article...

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

props for including a source

[–] Mang@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Very interesting, thanks for this!

[–] ScrollinMyDayAway@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Exposure to other people/cultures/lifestyles generally leads towards more understanding of them. I believe that is part of the core right-wing attitude that 'colleges are liberal indoctrination centers'. You're not being indoctrinated, you are being introduced and (gasp) seeing that they are regular people, just like you.

[–] OptimusPhillip@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Daryl Davis has managed to persuade several KKK members to leave the Klan by being a friend to them. So it has happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw&ab_channel=TEDxTalks

[–] oddsbodkins@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

Yes. But generally it takes long-term constant exposure to the thing they think they hate. In order to override the indoctrinated or programmed in misconceptions.

[–] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Yes. You might enjoy reading about the story of Meghan Phelps-Roper and how her beliefs changed.

[–] excel@lemmy.megumin.org 3 points 1 year ago

The only way to change someone’s core values is to show them the error of their ways WITHIN their own current value system.

If you can manage to find some purchase there you might have a chance, but it’s more likely that you will not find it.

[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Absolutely!

I've always felt that Hate is an absence of Love, like how Cold is an absence of Heat.

You can go to a person and emit all the love in the world, and for some people that's all it takes, but some people are just too insulated. That usually happens when their hate is tied to an ideology that their identity is dependent on.

Sometimes it's not an ideology so much as a traumatic experience that associated their trauma with a hatred of some person(s).

In either case, the only way to dispell that hate is for the person to open up their barriers enough for the love to make it's way in, and that's a lot of work.

I like to think I did. I used to belong to a cult.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Problem is what is hatred. Some think that abortion is baby murder, and baby murder is definitly hateful.

If you don't even agree on what is hatred, what hope do you have?