Yes, there are still some problems with the self-hosting docs
this post was submitted on 11 Jul 2025
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Why am I not surprised.
Because people make mistakes and nobody is perfect and even paid software has problems?
oh for fuck's sake. A mistake is rendering the wrong emoji. Sending your password to elsewhere is inexcusable
I'm not saying it's excusable. I'm saying it's understandable. The cause of this was essentially a typo. I seriously don't believe it was intentional. If you have that big of a problem with it, please consider volunteering your time to write some technical documentation for the Lemmy devs.
You should edit your post with link to this PR - it's fixed now
Thank you for discovering this, and creating awareness around it.
Seems like a genuine miss, contrary to what the comments here would have one believe, given that the compose file (and rest of the docs) were mostly derived from whatever worked for the developers themselves.
Seems like a genuine miss, contrary to what the comments here would have one believe,
You might be right. I looked at the history and the way it came in, and it's not as wildly anomalous to the rest of the file when looked at in context. Maybe it's just a mistake.
if it was inadvertent you'd think someone at the receiving address would have spoken up....
Well, part of the price I pay for being a consistent dickhead is that sometimes people aren’t enthused to respond to me. I get why they wouldn’t really want to respond here and get yelled at, whether or not it was malicious, and instead just fix it and go on.
In my opinion it would be a healthier way to go about things if they were willing to meet criticism head-on, but the pro-authoritarianism position they’ve staked out for themselves is so widely and bitterly unpopular that I think that ship has sailed and they’re unlikely to engage with most of the free-speaking world at this point, because it would just be a torrent of abuse and mockery and so what would even be gained by it.
they’re unlikely to engage with most of the free-speaking world at this point, because it would just be a torrent of abuse and mockery and so what would even be gained by it.
side effects of never letting a good opportunity to red bait go to waste I guess
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That’s so on-character for .ml
The longer I look at it the more suspicious I am of it, to be honest. I'm just kind of generally a paranoid and accusatory person, so take that into account, but... the files are pretty carefully set up. They have variable substitutions for everything, including a bunch of places where there's a template substitution to change a string around when setting cache keys so that it'll still work out-of-the-box right away, even in complex configurations like multiple domains on a single server. It all works out-of-the-box right away, they've clearly been attentive to making sure it's all set up right and keeps working cleanly as things have been evolving forward. Except for that one place.
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Im loving that there are ml users coming in and defending it lol
Yeah, don't they realize they could have just spent that time productively by making a pull request, instead?
Honestly, you found the fault. I agree that you should put the request in.
I mean probably I should. There are a bunch of people accusing me of being dick headed and petty and they're not completely wrong. Honestly, I just don't feel like helping the Lemmy devs. Dessalines, at least, is totally unapologetic about being a dickhead to people he has power over. That puts me in a mindset where, mostly, I want to talk to other people about potential harm he's in a position to do, and not really in a mindset where I want to do even a small amount of extra work on his behalf.
I'm going to tell other people that he's in a position to take their passwords. If he wants to see that and put himself not in that position anymore? Great, I think he should. If he gets his feelings hurt because I'm not being super friendly about it? Well.. okay. I'm not trying to be malicious about it or do anything other than clearly communicate the problem. But it seems like the lemmy.ml "in charge" crew in general has a lot of a mentality that's kind of like, "Well, I'm in charge, and you're not, so fuck what you think and fuck your rights. Ban." (or whatever). The way I operate is that really makes me not want to be extra friendly or courteous to people. I used to have a regular donation to Lemmy development set up, I used to take it seriously the idea of getting involved in contributing to the code, and then I observed how they operate, and ... like I say I'm mostly talking to the other people involved who I think should be aware of this. If the devs want to react, fix it, or get involved in the conversation, then sure, sounds good.
The fix is in the comments below, if someone else wants to contribute it and do the very small amount of work of getting it in.
It sounds like a pull request would have been much more helpful, with much less effort. But you want it fixed less than you want it publicized, so you chose this option (even though you could have done both).
In other words, you cared less about the people impacted by this problem, and more about your own opportunity to put the author(s) on blast like this.
And you care about that opportunity so much, that it's even worth it to show this dark side of yourself publicly.
Am I understanding that right?
Or OP is spreading the word to get it out there. Now it's got eyes on it thanks to OPs work.
Jesus. Some of you people just want to shit on someone for doing a good thing for no reason. Have you put in a pull request yet or are you just showing your dark side on top of being a dick to OP who did something good?
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Was just gonna say. Exactly what some authoritarian boot lickers would do.
“Of course the Central Committee would have access to your instance. Why is that a problem? Are you doing something counter-revolutionary?!”
We are using their tools though...
Well, you are, while I am on PieFed:-P If you do not like what you've heard here, then consider switching to Piefed.World (Lemmy.World's recently-announced PieFed replacement for Lemmy)
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Why are you assuming malice when this is probably just a mistake/oversight?
Because of the way Dessalines and Nutomic consistently act?
Watch. They won't apologize or admit wrongdoing here. They never do.
They did patch it just now.
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Because “when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time .”
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Why make a Lemmy post about this and not just a GitHub issue?
I think it should be more public knowledge than just people who peruse the github issues. Also, it's so trivial to fix that it will save them some time if they don't have to close the issue after they spend literally 10-15 seconds fixing it.
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This is fixed now.
Bruh
Now I have trust issues with open source programs.
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"WHO THE FUCK DO YOU WORK FOR? TRYING TO JUMPSCARE ME?"
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I'm reminded of stories I've heard of graduate students hiding a note and some cash in the pages of their theses that they submit to the university, just to see if anyone bothers reading it and takes the cash. They return years later to find it still there.
With open source, the code is all there ready for review by anyone, as long as you have the technical knowhow and patience to review the code you use. But like reading the terms and conditions for everything we use, how many people actually take the time to go through all that code?
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Good catch, seems like an oversight.
Oh no, the secret plot of the tankies for world domination has been unmasked!
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