To be criminally charged for this is absolutely insane. The fact everyone knows he's a lowlife and his name is out there is enough.
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Yeah for me the world has gone too soft. I don't see a crime to be honest there worth going to court for. It was utterly stupid and disgusting what he did but I feel like going to court was too far for it.
Let the club ban him and the media report on it but it feels excessive as he's already lost his job and any future employer will see what he's done with any background check.
People should be allowed to make mistakes and learn from them, I'm sure he's not a bad person at all just did a stupid thing and now will pay for the rest of his life.
I'm sure he's not a bad person
Good people don't tend to mock children who died from cancer, just saying.
Anyone can make a mistake in the heat of the moment with alcohol involved. Imagine one mistake defining you for the rest of your life. If he's acknowledged the mistake learned from it and makes him a better person then that's much more important than villifying him and going to court over such a thing.
I don't agree with a criminal offence and going to court over the matter.
Look at the thread about Grealish yesterday, people saying he's such a lovable guy yet he drove and wrote his car off while absolutely steaming.
I feel like you maybe wouldn’t be saying this if you were the kids family.
It’s a public order offence though? And his sentence was suspended. I don’t get the issue.
Am I gonna cry for this moron? Not one tear.
Is this punishment reasonable? Fuck, I just don't know man...
Is the punishment unreasonable? Probably.
Do I care about someone who thought it would be funny to make fun of a child who dies of cancer? Absolutely not, they can throw the book at him for all I care
100% suspended sentence is correct. What he did is bad but he shouldn’t be taking up a cell in overflowing prisons.
Suspended essentially means no more public order offences so hopefully behaves
He isn't though. It's a suspended sentence.
What I don't know is does he have a criminal record now?
Absolutely, yes.
He got a 3-month custodial sentence. Convictions resulting in custodial sentences shorter than 12 months become 'spent' 12 months after the sentence ends. So, his conviction will be 'unspent' for the next 15 months.
While his conviction is 'unspent' he still only needs to tell an organisation about it (e.g. for a job application) if they ask him, but it will show up on any DBS - basic, standard or enhanced.
After it becomes 'spent' it will only show up on a standard or enhanced DBS check. He only needs to tell a potential employer, university or college about it if they ask him to and they tell him the role needs a standard or enhanced DBS check and it has not been removed ('filtered') from DBS certificates (as it resulted in a custodial sentence, it can't ever be filtered).
It's against the law for an employer, university or college to refuse someone a role because they've got a spent conviction or caution, unless it makes them unsuitable for the role (i.e. a driving conviction might make them unsuitable for a job as a driving instructor).
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While I don’t feel like he should have been criminally charged, I don’t feel bad for him it’s a dickhead thing to do and I don’t even know how you could make a funny joke from that
The idea of him potentially doing jail time for this is a bit silly but I'm definitely not opposed to the unpaid work/community service part of the punishment.
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It seems every week I see the UK criminally charging people for disgusting and offensive chants, gestures etc.
They are disgusting acts but to criminally charge for this is insanity and a slippery slope to the Government deciding what you can and can’t say.
The government represents the people. We’ve had this laws for over a hundred years.
We aren’t America, we don’t view free speech in the same way.
Slippery slope? These laws have existed for longer than both of us have been alive.
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Why though?
The law isn't new, we've had lots of iterations of it over the centuries.
Also, freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequences for saying it or doing it.
Why is insanity when it’s a breach of the Public Order Act 1986? This is nothing new. I’m not sure I understand how anyone is complaining.
We think we're American.
Yeah, in a country constantly being americanised with its media, sport, etc. the biggest one is that everyone seems to think we have free speech laws like the USA all of a sudden
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Being a total knobhead shouldn't get you charged as a criminal.
it's an actual joke what western society has become - not for one second are his actions fine, they're disgusting and vile.
but where do u draw the line between that and making a 9/11 meme on the internet?
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The only difference between the UK and China is the degree of surveillance and control, although with the ULEZ cameras and people getting arrested for standing on streets thinking wrong thoughts the UK is fighting valiantly to close the distance.
My dude, are you still trying to push this narrative that the UK is a police state?
Just take the L and move on.
You didn't look up the definition, you are embarrassed. I get it.
Oh no, catching criminals, what a terrible thing!
It's just banter
Sad life if you find mocking a dead child banter
Not surprising, there’s zero room in the prisons at the minute. Stuff like this will never end up with you behind bars.
Suspended from what? Why does England have weird laws like this. Like it’s not right but Jesus Christ it’s just words that don’t affect 99.9% past a base level.
Vile
he’s a massive cunt but that sentence is ridiculous.
literally can get the same sentence for burglary.
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I don't care if it was too much of a punishment, he fucking deserves it
This just has the potential to create a horrendous slippery slope
While obviously these men are vile cunts, these harsh crack downs on free speech are becoming an alarming trend the last few years
Having shit craic shouldn’t result in being charged as a criminal. It’s a slippery slope, and shows you can be arrested and charged for pretty much anything.
Don’t agree with getting a prison sentence for something like this. But the thick cunt should just try to not be an absolute pillock and none of this would’ve happened to him.
Disgusting behaviour.
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What a daft cunt 😂😂😂
What a fucking moron.
Basically torn his own world apart for literally no reason at all.
For anyone who can't click on the link, in doing this utterly fucking stupid thing, he has:
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Been given a 5-year stadium ban.
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Had to pay a £154 victim surcharge.
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Had to pay £85 in prosecution costs.
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12-week suspended prison sentence (suspended for up to 18 months).
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Ordered to do 200 hours of unpaid work.
What a fucking moron.
It even says in the article that he's had to move out of his parents' home because of the backlash his actions caused, and apparently his relationship with his partner has been affected too.
Can't believe someone would willingly do something like that anyway, such a stupid and unkind thing to do, and that's even before you get to how fucking stupid it is to do these days anyway, especially when we live in a world where everything is recorded.
The guy is 32, his parents are probably happy to have an excuse to make him move out.
I knew this guy reasonably well at school, although that is a long time ago now he was always a bit of an idiot but I was surprised by this because he should know better than most about how a the death of a child can affect family and friends.
When he was around 15-16 Dale lost his best friend in an awful traffic collision where he was hit by a coach while crossing the dual carriageway outside school. It was fucking awful, it had a huge impact on his friends and family including Dale. So I thought he of all people would know better.
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suspended prison sentence for that? 200hrs of unpaid work? lol jesus, thats excessive
Justice imo. You don’t mock a child who lost a battle to cancer. No excuses for that. Fucker got what he deserved.
Hope he enjoys the 200 hours unpaid graft too.
It's not justice though my dude, the punishment doesn't fit the crime tbh.
Shouldn't even been a crime for the authorities to prosecute. This was something that should of been settled between the team and him. Ban him from attendance. This is censorship whether we like the results or not.
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Reading through the list of consequences, the social consequences were probably a sufficient deterrent. Losing jobs and banned from football matches (the football association being distinct from the government).
Not a fan of governments getting involved in prosecuting speech. I think social sanctions and consequences are more appropriate, even for heinous speech like this.
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