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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 65 points 3 days ago (7 children)

BitWarden is F(antastic)OSS.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How? BitWarden has great 2FA, but is also a password manager with good integrations, group sharing, etc. Plus when you log in with it, it auto-copies the 2fa to clipboard.

Assuming you've used both, so what does Aegis bring to the table? Wondering if I should try it.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

For the same reason you usually shouldnt store 2FA in the passwordmanager.
Besides that Aegis has some features like automated (encrypted) backups when accounts are removed/added.
Also can use multiple different 2FA protocols (even Steam when your phone has root).

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[–] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 102 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fantastic, wish they prioritised stuff like this instead of AI but at least it's here now. Now please make a dedicated contacts app so I can stop using Google contacts too!

[–] Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, I also was disappointed that proton wallet was for crypto and not credit cards. Unless someone can recommend an alternative to Google wallet, preferably from F-Droid

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 15 points 2 days ago

Google Wallet is not so much a "wallet" for your cards but a way to link your cards to their own payment service, Google Pay.

Both Apple and Google had a lot of problems convincing banks to accept their respective services, and even then many stores still don't support this payment method. A company with the clout and size of Proton has no chance to get their own service widely accepted.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The FSF (and RMS himself) wanted an alternative for online payments for ages, without crypto. An anonymous buffer layer between your payment method, like a credit card, and the vendor. I believe something was eventually released but it never took off, because unlike something like a NFC Wallet, vendors would have to natively support GNU's version.

[–] wintermute@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago

I think you are referring to GNU Taler.

It recently started operating in a kind of open beta in Switzerland https://news.itsfoss.com/gnu-taler-swiss-operations/

[–] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

Same, if they made a wallet for cards then I'd actually use my phone to pay for stuff

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[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is a more welcome addition than that stupid AI chatbot slop machine.

But I would still like to see them release Proton Drive for Linux already.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I wouldn't mind not having a native Linux drive client if they didn't block rsync, which used to work, and now does not. What a stupid decision.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Been using Aegis on android and managing my own backups but maybe switch or use for things I care less for just for simplicity

[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 22 points 3 days ago

yes Aegis is awesome

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Did anyone catch what the Proton app adds over all the already existing apps?

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Looks like it has encrypted sync and desktop apps too, so that's nice if you need stuff on multiple devices.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The sync is the main thing for me. I already back up my Aegis library and upload that to proton drive. Difference in security for me is pretty much zero between Aegis and a proton authenticator app

[–] cookie019@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why its not available as apk or aab or on fdroid?

Promoting play store?

[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What's more, they talk up how it's open source and then don't link to the repo.

Here it is, BTW:

https://github.com/protonpass/android-authenticator

[–] cookie019@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago

I saw it, of cource they didnt publish no apk or aab. I dont think a lot of people will compile from the source code, maybe like 0.05% of users

[–] artyom@piefed.social 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Ehhhh but they already have this in Proton Pass?

E: found this in the FAQ

Proton Pass is a password manager designed to securely generate and store strong passwords, and protect your digital identity with features like email alises and dark web monitoring. It also includes an integrated authenticator that can store and autofill 2FA codes - but not the ones used to log in to your Proton account. Proton Authenticator is a standalone 2FA app that allows users to enable 2FA protection for their Proton account, it also allows users to store their 2FA codes separate from their passwords if they wish to do so.

If you already use Proton Pass, I think I'd recommend Ente Auth instead. That's what I use.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You really should not keep your MFA codes in the same place as your passwords, especially if you are syncing those passwords between devices and/or a cloud service.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yes that's why I said:

If you already use Proton Pass, I think I'd recommend Ente Auth instead

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been meaning to get rid of Google Authenticator. Think I'm gunna go do that today. :)

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Consider Aegis if you want an offline and secure alternative.

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Aren't all 2FA apps offline compatible?

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Should be, but not all of them allow you to opt-out of cloud sync.

[–] RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Proton does this as well, you can use it completely offline without an account

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is proton legit? I always see mix comments about them.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (6 children)

It’s legit. The negative comments are because the CEO supports US Republican politicians which is a red flag, but there haven’t been any operational reasons to not trust them that I’m aware of.

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Doesn't support republican politicians. Congratulated the anti-big-tech appointment by a republican politician (Trump).

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago

Definitely supported the Republicans. It was a red flag to hold opinions like this:

Here is our official response, also available on the Mastodon post in the screenshot: Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote. At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up- JD Vance. By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand. Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost. Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

He's not wrong about the Democrat party choosing the establishment over the progressive wing, but the idea that he supports the Republicans as being more likely to reign in tech companies is so laughable it's not even funny, and makes you wonder why Andy Yen believes it.

What other commenters have said before though is true: aside from this incident with the CEO, Proton has been careful to stay politically neutral and on message... It damaged their public trust but didn't destroy it.

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[–] Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It works, has minor quirks, but it has replaced a lot of things for me, switched from Google gmail, drive, and calendar to Protons and it has been good. (Though the whole Lumo AI release move confused me) Oh yeah VPN too, well for other countries, still use my wireguard vpn when traveling.

But personally, I'mma continue sticking to Aegis as my authenticator app. (Can't recommend it enough)

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[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 10 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Hmm... I'm not sure about having an authenticator app on a desktop computer.

Like you are putting all your eggs in one basket. Password managers, and your emails already go to one place for authentication. Adding an authenticator means if your computer is compromised, a person can have access to more accounts.

I always figured this is why desktop authenticator apps aren't a thing.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

The alternative for people who want a convenience factor is putting it all in the same location. For example, the only thing Authy for desktop closing did for me was make it so I no longer had an isolated app for both 2FA and passwords, because now it's just all in my password manager.

I don't always have my phone on me 24x7, so the inability to access things on my desktop is a massive nope for me.

The way I looked at it, it's no different than having a mobile device with a password manager on it, because if someone steals your mobile device, they have access to everything as well. So the two-factor authentication apps shouldn't be on desktop argument never made sense to me, mobile is the same way.

This application might make me go back into having the two isolated systems, because it removes the massive inconvenience factor

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