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We’ve known that the iPhone is switching to USB-C for a while now, but there was always a possibility that Apple would stick with Lightning for one more year. Based on the latest leaked images, however, Apple is all-in on USB-C for the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro models, with USB-C parts for the iPhone 15, iPhone 15 Plus, and iPhone 15 Pro Max all shown in a leaked image by X user fix Apple.

With the switch to USB-C, nearly all of Apple’s devices will have adopted the new standard, with only AirPods, Mac accessories, and the iPhone SE remaining aside from older iPhones and the 9th-gen iPad.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 192 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Government regulation works.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 35 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I think the jury is still out on this one imo. If Apple does what the rumors are saying and limit it to 500mA @ 5V and 480Mbps transfer speed unless you have a MFI chip in the cable, then I don't think these regulations worked.

Also, if a hypothetical USB type D comes out some time in the future and blows USB type C out of the water in every category, but phones can't use it because the EU said, then these regulations didn't work. It's my understanding that the EU protected against this possiblity, so I'm hopeful that this won't happen. But I haven't actually read the bill myself. I have only heard this from comments on the internet, so I don't know for sure.

[–] Oneser@lemm.ee 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not correct for devices being sold to the EU at least. Part of the amendment to the Radio Equipment Regulation outlines the exact standards for power delivery that must be used, and that interfaces which are capable of being charged @ > 15W must "ensure that any additional charging protocol allows for the full functionality of the USB Power Delivery...".

For data transfer, I don't see the point and future improvements to USB will come from industry in future.

The only way around this is with a wireless charging protocol, but manufacturers are moving away from that it appears.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 41 points 1 year ago

If the EU covered all their bases here and Apple doesn't find a way to screw their customers, I will be extremely happy. I just feel like they always find some way to be shitty. 😂

[–] Prizephitah@feddit.nu 59 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The EU requirement isn’t actually USB-C. It’s whatever USB-IF says is the standard connector. So if USB-C gen2x2 (or wherever they will call it) comes out, that will be what everyone has to implement.

The problem would arise when USB-IF stops being the de-facto innovation driver for peripheral interconnection.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 49 points 1 year ago

It's amazing how few people know this very basic fact about EU regulation yet are so quick to criticize it. Internet in a nutshell I guess...

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[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Consumer-based regulation works better.

ie- when people stop spending billions on iphones that don't use standardized hardware.... Then, perhaps Apple will stop being anti-competitive assholes.

Right now, they can get away with being anti-competitive assholes, because everyone keeps buying their products.

Money speaks.

Just watch- apple will indeed release a phone that has a USB-Type C port. Then, disable data transfer to any non-apple certified USB cord, due to "security concerns" or "fire hazards"

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Consumer-based regulation works better.

Consumer-based regulation doesn't exist lol

[–] i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's not so simple. If my parents stopped buying iPhones, they would need to replace their watches, their TV streaming device, their car chargers, and all their apps. You can't expect normal people to collectively switch from an ecosystem designed around lock-in.

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[–] noddy@beehaw.org 63 points 1 year ago (7 children)

EU is the real MVP. Hoping that a few more years now and we'll have iphone with USB C, app sideloading, user replacable battery. I've never owned an iphone before but if that happens, I might consider one.

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[–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the good things coming out of the EU.

I still wonder if Apple will do a split between EU iPhones and the rest of the world, though. Lightning accessories make money.

[–] CleoTheWizard@beehaw.org 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It makes them a very small amount of money. But they’ve also been rumored to be making iPhones use a “Made for Apple” type of cable for faster charging speeds. I think that would be really dumb but here we are.

[–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago

a “Made for Apple” type of cable

That is absolutely ridiculous, but not surprising at all.

[–] moitoi@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

making iPhones use a “Made for Apple” type of cable for faster charging speeds

They can't do that. The iPhone must comply with PD.

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[–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least then there will be no more confusion over who's fault it is when your iPhone doesn't charge as fast as you'd like.

It's always been Apple's fault, but now there will be no more saying it's because Lightning is somehow better.

[–] CleoTheWizard@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I’ll give them some fairness. When lightning originally launched, it was a great interface for lightweight power delivery and was more sturdy than the deplorable micro USB. I can’t explain just how bad microUSB is. So it made sense. I think USB-C just put in the legwork to be a much better adapter.

Also the giant plot hole missing here is that Apple sits on the USB forum I believe and so has some say in what the billions of devices they produce use to charge. They just can’t make money off of a standard now.

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[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 43 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Apple is honestly garbage. This would have been news 5 years ago. Now it's just sad.

[–] CobraChicken@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is not sad. Progress is progress.

Good on EU to force their hand, we should be cheering for regulatory agencies making life better for consumers.

[–] Bene7rddso@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

It's sad that it took so long

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[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wait until you hear the same Apple fans who kept repeating the iPhone is better because of the lightning port suddenly praise Apple's genius to switch to USB-C.

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[–] glennglog22@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hm. For some reason, I felt like Apple was going to be petty enough to only make phones with USB-C ports exclusively for EU territories and leave the rest of the world with proprietary ports. Good for them for not doing that I guess.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

It's simply cheaper for them not to have two different devices.

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[–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] sudo@lemmy.today 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Watch them roll with the most barebones feature set possible just so they can point and say, "see, lightning was obviously better!"

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 25 points 1 year ago (18 children)

There's no point for Apple to self sabotage like that. Why make your new shiny $1500 phone look bad just to praise a discontinued products? Switching back to Lightning is impossible. Better to just move on with it and because it's Apple, they will more likely to pull some bullshit like "Reinventing USB-C" or "The Best USB-C in the world".

Apple would rather just ditch all physical ports and move to 100% wireless than praising Lightning over USB-C.

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[–] HeavyRaptor@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Next up: allow side loading!

I might actually consider getting an iPhone.

(it's crazy you still cannot get a version of Firefox with both adblock and bookmarks sync on ios)

[–] Oneobi@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

Apple knows that consumers don't want that. Apple knows everything.

I feel so suffocated by their products!

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

fucking hell are we really at number 15? Are they just going to keep going with this naming scheme until the iPhone 1523?

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firefox 114: "First time?"

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

extra annoying because in software we have semantic versioning which is objectively better for all purposes other than marketing.

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[–] CobraChicken@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You simply cant win. People make fun of Xbox fand Windows for having non sequential names, and iPhone gets berated for having a naming scheme that's sensical, easy to follow and date

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yup, out of all the things I hate about Apple, their iPhone's naming scheme is something I wish other brands would follow (including Apple with thier other devices).

Apple iPad on the other hand, is a completely mess.

To OP, what's wrong with sequential names? I look at an iphone and i know exactly when they were released and their relative performance to other iphone models. Why is it a bad thing?

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[–] TheRealMalc@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wish I could get a 15 mini with usbc. That's all I want.

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[–] maeries@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm really curious how apple will present that on stage. If they say anything positive about the change everyone will ask why they didn't do it sooner. But they also can't just not say anything about it

[–] silentdon@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago

They'll do like they always do and pretend it's the greatest, most innovative feature ever. They'll probably give it a hip new name like 'light speed port' and make it only compatible with Apple-branded products.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 10 points 1 year ago

I think there's a good chance that they act like it was their idea and that they are doing a the world a huge favor by switching.

[–] Jearom@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

My guess is they spend less than 60 seconds on it, in the same way they talked about it when it came to the iPad Pro in 2018: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfHEnw6Rm-4&t=3309

In summary: “We changed a thing. It’s a big deal but also not. Here are three benefits this change brings for users. Also this other benefit. On to the next thing.”

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[–] RagnarokOnline@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Been waiting for this for like 4 years now.

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We changed to USB-C ports because ~~the EU forced us~~ we have courage!

[–] jacktherippah@lemdro.id 10 points 1 year ago

I bet it's USB 2.0. Sidenote: DAE hate all cloud transfer options/nearby share/airdrop and just plug in a good old cable like me any time they need to transfer stuff lol?

[–] Player2@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

Not sure how a leaked photo can 'confirm' anything but good news regardless

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