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    Just because it’s better than windows doesn’t make it good (lemmy.ml)
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    [–] soupuos@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I know a lot of people like macOS, and I'm sure they get a lot done with it. For me however, it's easily my least favorite popular OS. That's even considering the terminal running zsh by default, which is miles ahead of Windows.

    A quirk that recently bit us at work is that Safari has a maximum allowed version based off your OS version. Now if it was just me as a user, I'd download a 3rd party browser. However, as a developer, I have to build solutions that work for every "reasonable" browser. This means I can't use features that every modern browser has, including Safari, because Safari from 4 years ago didn't have it.

    [–] squigglycunt@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    at my last workplace we used a service called browserstack which cost something like 10$ a month, it allows you to run almost any combination of os/browser versions. you can even set it up to access a local server if you’re running one on your device machine for example. took out all the headache of running the specific ie version that the client was reporting bugs on it worked great but you can definitely find similar services to suit your use case

    [–] soupuos@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

    Thanks for the callout! We actually use browerstack too, but only for exceptions like that one. It's not part of our typical process. Really cool software

    [–] ptz@dubvee.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The first desktop version, Mac OS X 10.0, was released on March 24, 2001. Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard and all releases from OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion to macOS 14 Sonoma are UNIX 03 certified

    I don't like MacOS, but it's actually able to be called UNIX.

    [–] misophist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I'm surprised you don't lose Unix certification with crap like case insensitive filesystem defaults.

    [–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    I don't want to be like Stack Overflow, but tbh you have some design problems if you rely on case sensitive filesystems.

    [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

    MacOS is UNIXβ„’

    [–] franklin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I mean Mac OS has its place. There's a reason so many music producers and coders choose that OS. It's a rock solid stable approach for those use cases.

    That being said, personally I would always prefer Linux but that's mostly because I don't do those things.

    I don't even particularly hate windows, I just like PopOS better

    [–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I'm a dev and I mainly see issues with removed... Every update breaks some tools the cli tools are ancient, homebrew is slow as hell and breaks quite often, docker is really slow and costs money if you don't know how to avoid that, it's very expensive to get to a certain amount of RAM that costs nothing on PC and so on.

    [–] max@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Docker costs money? What?

    [–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The docker desktop does. It is very tricky to install docker without it on the Mac.

    You can try installing it on GitHub actions for your CI runs with the Mac runner. It can be done, but takes forever, is hacky and breaks very often.

    [–] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    But it's not better than windows.

    [–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Gotta disagree, the gestures are actually amazing. Only pain point is gaming, but I don't really do that, and the dev experience is pretty good compared to windows too. Installing programs is as easy as it should be on windows. Fuck msi installers

    [–] Khalic@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So is there a linux circlejerk? Cause you’re just ridiculous with your tribalist shit…

    [–] lambda@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yeah, macos is pretty based. I don't own a Mac product but I have and they were great.

    [–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

    Based on what?

    [–] Schmeckinger@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

    Yeah its called lemmy.

    [–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I use both Linux and MacOS. MacOS is pretty good, but it's also very weird in the Unix world.

    [–] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I honestly don't see why, when I'm looking for help on some problem on a mac, I'll happily open a Linux forum, and throw whatever commands I need into the terminal. Works like a charm every time. Just replace apt with brew or some other reasonable package manager (idk if macports or whatever is actually any decent, never tried it)

    [–] mac@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

    I tried MacPorts once because I don't like the name of Homebrew but it's weirdly slow in comparison

    [–] Norgur@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I vividly remember when a friend of mine who runs a small graphic design studio was sent an archive file macOS couldn't open natively and asked me for help. Never having used a Mac and without any clue as to which tools the stupid app shop (which was rather new at the time) held, I couldn't for the life.of me get the blasted thing to obey me, until I found a terminal. I then installed build utils and compiled the frickin' unpacker I needed myself since it only had Linux binaries. Worked like a charm.

    [–] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

    I can agree that fighting apples UI's can get frustrating (i.e. playing the "try to find the right button" game). What makes me think macs are great is that you get all the freedom you could wish for in a terminal that is unix-compliant, while also getting the reliability of a hugely widespread OS that a bunch of good developers are paid to maintain. With the new macs you also get the apple silicon hardware, which is great.

    I think most people that use macs indeed do need the safety rails, but at the same time they bother me. I know how to disable them within 15 mins of setting up my computer, but if I'm helping someone with an issue, I sometimes first need to spend some time disabling safety nets and installing the tools I need. Also: Shoving iCloud storage down my throat is shit. They should stop that.

    [–] Octopus1348@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    As a macOS user I don't agree.

    [–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Me: "ls ~/Downloads", mac-gui: Would you like to give "Terminal" access to the "Downloads" folder?

    [–] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

    Ok, it's true that you have to spend 15 mins after setting up to "install developer tools", and remove some safety rails. However, the mac doesn't prevent you from doing that, and doesn't really even try to make it hard (if you've ever touched a terminal before). Once it's set up, you're good to go..

    [–] dudinax@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    MacOS is way worse than Windows.

    [–] tubaruco@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    mac is way more new user friendly and polished though

    [–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    How's MacOS user friendly?

    [–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago

    It's more user friendly in a thousand minor ways, such as installing programs, which makes it much more user friendly overall. At least MacOS has a consistent UI that doesn't massively change every single update

    [–] vsh@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

    How is BSD better than Linux or MacOS?