the one who mopped the floor with the other in 5 games in 2008 playoffs
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If you just wanna compare playoff matchups, I think you have to consider their previous matchups too. Duncan was far better in 99' and 03', for example. Kobe was better in 01' and 08'. 02' and 04' are a bit more debatable.
99 was first season Kobe became a starter so was too young then. he averaged 32 and was the Lakers best player in 03
sure and that's why I used 08 so people couldn't downplay Kobe's success against Duncan by pointing to Shaq
Duncan, anyone who says Kobe is just because they like him and look to ignore the facts
Like Kobe Destroying Tim in multiple playoffs?
Or Tim destroying Kobe in 99 and 2003, and would've done so after in the 2010's
I'm actually in awe that Kobe, as a perimeter player, only averaged 1.7 more assists per game than Duncan.
It just shows your lack of understanding the offensive system Kobe played in.
I’m actually in awe that Duncan, as a big man, only averaged 5 more FG% than Kobe
Another weirdo. I'm just gonna delete my comment. You guys got fuckin issues
And curry as a point guard only averages 3.5 more. Your point?
Kobe
Duncan better than Kobe. Duncan win more rings and overall stats higher. This not about individual glory, it's about team success.
Duncan win more rings and overall stats higher
Both of these are blatantly false. Lmao
Won more rings?
Oh hell yeah let’s let the box scores decide all the great debates
Why do you guys do this.
They’re clearly around the same level and depending on your criteria and values, there would be no wrong answers.
Both superstars with 5 rings and individual success in their respective position with great supporting casts in different ways.
5 rings in the same era too
Sounds like a good comparison then.
Meh. I would always draft Duncan before Kobe. It would just be easier to build a winning team around him. Duncan made Popovich into an all-time coach, whereas Kobe needed an all-time coach like Jackson to succeed in spite of his toxic personality.
Duncan won same number of rings with way less help, way smaller budget. Once Giannis and Jokic finish their careers, people will realize how difficult it is to win 5 rings with a small market, overrated franchise like the Spurs.
2 MVP 3 FMVP is also a higher tier than 1 MVP 2 FMVP. Duncan's true impact on winning is simply amazing.
Duncan’s help is underrated. Advanced statistics such as box plus minus and win shares have Manu as the most important player for the rings 3 and 4. Thinking basketball had a good video of this
Tim Duncan by a country mile. He sacrificed his touches and doesn't get the credit he deserves because his counting stats took a hit. Kobe is closer to DeMar DeRozan historically than he is Michael Jordan lol. Tim is like top 7 all time. Let's not get crazy here
Kobe avg'd 30 on 46-48% all playoffs, all 3 title runs in the late 2000s. Vs double teams from really great West teams
Meanwhile, Demar scores 20 on low 40% vs first round opponents
Some of you donkeys are actually literally insane in your hate
Kobe was a better player if we are just going at individual and talent wise.
Duncan has an argument for better career.
Kobe. But I ain't mad at anyone thinking Duncan was better. It's close either way.
Duncan by a wide margin. Kobe was amazing, a top 10 all time player, but Duncan's defense is all time level, if Kobe has a bad shooting night, your chances to win go down dramatically.
Kobe lol
Tim no questiln
Kobe, but they are neck and neck
It’s hard to say for me, but Duncan’s contribution to the Spurs defense, even in his twilight years, helps his case. His offense, however, is not much to write home about. Comparing his TS% with Kobe’s, they’re similar, but that’s actually not helping Duncan’s case because big men tend to have better TS% than guards and wings. From a EFG% perspective, Duncan’s EFG% isn’t much better than Kobe’s and Kobe had a much higher 3 point attempt rate at slightly below average efficiency.
Like many people have said in this thread, it’s really down to what you want to see from a player. From my perspective, Kobe has displayed some of the finest offensive performances in league history along with good, but quite inconsistent defense. Duncan was able to anchor the defense of three different Spurs systems, but his offense could have been better.
It’s Duncan. Look at those team records and how Duncan sustained the spurs. One of the best winners ever. Along with more MVPs and FMVPs.