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[–] Toxcito@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

OP discovers that patent law is designed to only make life more difficult for domestic use.

Seriously though, patents are pretty much useless.

[–] MisterMechano@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

No such thing as copyright in China.

[–] SaltMaker23@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao, this is some high quality shitpost

[–] Squirtleburtal@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

China does not and will not respect your patent.

[–] earthwarrior@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I just lol'd. The Chinese won't care.

[–] lawndartgoalie@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

They may just sell your product, with your name out the back door of their factory. I purchased a TRX suspension Trainer for 1/2 price that shipped right from China, from a small online seller. The product was great but the printed manual looked poorly photocopied.

[–] alt4politics4@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

That won't stop them

These people literally sell fake Nike products. They definitely don’t care about your patent

[–] whateversclevers@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Awww you’re so cute! I remember my first time working with China!

[–] 89ford194569@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

How new and novel is your product? If it is new and untested, no one will really want to knockoff your product. The concern comes if / when your product generates big traction. At this point, there is a concern that the factories would begin selling it on the side or other factories may knockoff.

However, the biggest concern (in my opinion) is your legitimate domestic competitors knocking it off once they see your product is successful. Much larger companies will be able to replicate your product avoiding your patent, or even if they explicitly infringe on your patent, it is very difficult and costly for a smaller organization to defend this with direct legal action.

To protect IP within the factory and factories country, there are a few ways to minimize this risk. You can partner with a smaller factory where you are a larger customer to them so they have less incentive to knockoff the product and damage your relationship. When you start out, you will not have this size and leverage, but you can partner with an intermediate sourcing / contract manufacturing company that has this sort of relationship with their suppliers. Side bonus they will likely take care of things such as negotiation, quality, import/export, logistics for you.

Another option that can be paired with the previous is to work with your factory to have them sell it on the side. If you have reached the success with your product where it will become likely this gets knocked off. You can offer a licensing deal with your factory to manufacture and sell your product within their country where you take some sort of fee.

[–] Plus-Necessary-4330@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Change last name to Trump. Apply for Trademark and Patent. Problem solved.

[–] dabidoe@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

From what I can tell it's impossible to avoid copyright theft in China.

Do your best to out perform, discredit, diminish and outrank your competition. Let it be known that they are thieves, sell inferior products (hopefully at least lol) and if you're really petty bomb them with bad reviews/blast whatever social media. There's an ethical line but they drew first blood and are taking food off your plate...

[–] MarinaHantzis@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Only thing the west should do regarding this subject is ban chinese imports

[–] InterstellarReddit@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Literally they’re manufacturing on patents held by companies like Rolex and Apple, you’d think they be worried about you?

[–] DARR3Nv2@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The only way they aren’t stealing your shit is if it sucks lol

[–] tomtermite@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

A few thoughts, from me:

  • Lying rarely achieves something positive
  • ..

Other commentators have said everything else you should consider.

[–] poppletonn@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

If you're manufacturing in China and your product is worth selling, it will 100% be stolen, no matter what you do.

[–] Normal-Suspect7765@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

hahahaha you think patent law applies in China?

[–] Gioware@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Chinese hack into EU and US systems to steal IP, if your product anywhere near successful, it will flood amazon and ebay in several days.

[–] reelnooz@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Nothing you can really do at the end of the day ..

but I usually will do an NNN agreement at least and have everything attached to you invoice.

There’s even some fiverr services that’s can get this done for you they will get official company stamps etc.

[–] Purpledragonbro@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Yes.it won't matter

[–] hamnstar@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

If anything that will just get it on their radar to rip it off faster, I don’t recommend it

[–] yujisukuna@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

They don’t recognize international patents, maybe in the US. They have their own, if you register your patent under a Chinese patent then you’ll be well protected.

[–] kozak_@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

:D

I have a bridge I want to sell you

[–] SavingsRead8830@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Its More easy to sue the other vendors that sell your idea, o would guess

[–] znehlrak@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Bold of you to assume china give a F

[–] aerosayan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

lol. chinese courts dgaf about your patents.

[–] 650REDHAIR@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] aerosayan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

lol. chinese courts don't give a flying fucc about your patents.

[–] bigdonkey2883@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] SilverDesperado@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

don’t produce in china

[–] southindiansauce@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Chinese R&D = copy and paste

[–] worldexplorer5@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao you are funny op or just an american.

[–] Mathieulombardi@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Sweet summer child moment.

[–] TenderfootGungi@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Patents are public instructions to build a copy. They are only good in countries that will enforce them. Some companies are now not patenting ideas so they do not get stolen as easy.

[–] StateOnly5570@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

China is well known for respecting international intellectual property

[–] polish94@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Unless you start ordering in the hundreds of thousands, they arent worried about your idea. millions maybe. And they will rip it off as soon as they believe it is profitable for them.

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