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I'm not just seeing it here on Reddit. I'm hearing it from other NBA boards, people I play ball with, fantasy basketball people, etc, etc.

I have no idea what the expectation was for this guy in his rookie season, but I think anyone who had half a semblance of knowledge knew what we were getting when he came in. Wemby was a defensive prospect first and foremost who has the chance to grow into one of the most impactful defenders ever due to his size and mobility, who could also put up 20+ points in the near future.

He wasn't great overseas offensively because he was still raw. He's still only 19 years old, in his first season in the NBA on a team that for all intents and purposes is still on a quest for more #1 picks. Wemby was a project from the very first day, albeit a very high ceiling project. Everything we talked about, both offensively and defensively was all about how he's going to look in year 5/6/7/8 of his career.

The dude is 7'4 and learning how to use his size while still picking up a lot of basketball fundamentals. I see a lot of posts saying how the Spurs should do this, or do that, or get this player, or bench that player. So much news for a team that is still far, far, FAR away from any hope of a ring. Why do we care so much that Sochan is getting burn at the PG spot? There seems to be so much focus on a team we knew was going to suck and a prospect that we knew was going to take years to learn the NBA and learn what he can do.

The fact that this kid has had some of the performances that he's had, and that he's even approaching 19-20 points a game regardless of efficiency at this point should be a win. I was expecting a lot less considering how much he had to learn, and how bad some of his performances overseas were. Wemby is arguably ahead of schedule at this point, and it should only get better with more reps, a better team, and more size.

Let him take all the 3s, mid range fade aways, etc that he wants. Let him make every mistake he can make this year to learn for the next year. This is a throwaway year for the Spurs that should be used just to evaluate and develop for the future. Some of you look incredibly silly bagging on a rookie on a below average team, expecting him to be the next Wilt from day 1. He's an incredible PROSPECT, key word there being prospect. Lets see where other 19-20 year old bigs were (Jokic, Giannis, Embiid) before we start complaining about Wemby not being LeBron, or blaming the Spurs for not putting together the perfect team around him when he's not even ready to lead a team in the first place. Stop being weird.

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[–] idkwhattodohelpplz1@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Brohum_8@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Its you, younglings are bloody deranged and want to parade around as basketball savants. Player development is never a steady curve, it varies and changes. I am having a ball watching this kid play, the moaners will stay true to their nature even if MJ came back.

[–] FantesLA@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It’s because he’s been hyped beyond the ordinary “next big star in the league” to a whole different category of “next goat”. People are not patient with anything less than inspiration from that category. Lebron has been dealing with it since day one. It’s human nature: we want our chosen ones to be chosen every time we watch them, 19 or not. Wemby looks decent on a terrible team. That doesn’t fit the bill right now. Tbh, I’m curious how he’ll deal with the inevitably of not meeting people’s expectations over the next couple years. If it makes him angry and that anger sharpens his competitive edge, he’s gonna be very special

[–] Marcotheernie@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know if Ive seen anyone DOWN on wemby, just comparing him to Chet who I think deserves his flowers and has been incredible. It was inevitable the two would be constantly compared and naturally people completely ignore where the two teams are in their respective rebuilds/ what is asked of them from the team and draw wild conclusions from rookie numbers. I think people got so used to wemby being talked about like some godlike figure bestowed upon the basketball world to utterly dominate from day 1 that him proving to be a (fantastic) rookie who does in fact makes rookie mistakes on a bad team has been hard to stomach.

[–] WalmartWaffles@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

“Arguably ahead of schedule” Too bad everyone can’t have a fair point of view He’s the new Lebron nothing is gonna be good enough until he wins a ring for the Paris cavaliers

[–] xanroeld@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because the Spurs are losing and he’s not having crazy impressive games that people want to talk about. I for one still think he’s gonna be a generational talent, but at this particular moment, he’s still getting his feet under him and he’s not as amazing to watch as some folks though he would be on day 1. He has a lot he needs to improve on and also he probably just needs to gain like 50lb or something. I think he’s gonna be amazing, but yeah rn he’s just a very good rookie on a dogshit team.

[–] sylsau@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Many don't understand that he is on a rebuilding team and that he needs a true playmaker alongside him to shine and express his full potential.

Spurs are going to have to tackle this problem. Sochan is not what they expected.

My biggest issue with wemby isn't even wemby wemby is a good player who will be great one day. My issue is his fans, every highlight he has you see people talking about how the league is over and how he's already unstoppable, he's not, his shot selection is iffy, he's a bad rebounder for his size and Isn't as dominant around the rim as you'd hope for someone who's 7'4, all of this will improve but seeing so many people act like he's already this all time great despite some very obvious flaws is annoying.

[–] Shxcking@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I have no idea what the expectation was for this guy in his rookie season

Your profile says active in r/nba but you must not have been here for the past 2 years lol

[–] Open-Panic6663@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because failure stories attract more attention than rise stories. I guess this is a reality of the social media age.
I have no concerns about his future on the defense side. He will be the favorite for dpoy every year throughout his career. There will be problems with efficiency and creativity in the offense for a while. I wish he could play with a guard like FVV in the Rockets.

[–] DoorBreaker101@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I was certain he would be like a taller, more efficient LeBron that can shoot laser from his eyes.

Turns out he's just a really good prospect that's probably going to be one of the best players in the league in years to come, if he can stay healthy.

How can you NOT be down on him?!

[–] Ablefarus@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He is fine and will only get better. The hype was so big that nba obtained rights to show his french league games last year, which is something never seen before. Also he is a physical specimen and having a guy his size moving like that and dribbling the ball like a guard is something everybody were drooling over.

He will develop and figure out how to dominate games with his strengths. What I kind of dislike is that, when you have a player like that, it would be much better for him to pair him with an experienced PG who can mentor him in a way and help him get the ball in optimal positions. Having him trying to figure out how to play and at the same time having Sochan learning how to run a point (which is probably the last position he should play) will hinder his development process.

Chet is having a great season but he is in a completely different position, being that last piece in a team full of young, excellent players with a core that has been together for couple of years now.

[–] Okaysaid@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because the kid is a chucker.

[–] johnjohn2214@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

No one in this league is going to the playoffs without a star guard who can score and pass. Even Denver is way less effective without Murray and has a center with guard skills. Wemby needs trial and error until he figures his game out. I think the main issue is Chet. People have been comparing these two since u19 basketball. Chet's offensive maturity isn't mirroring well juxtaposed to Wemby's. But Chet's 2 years older and playing with a star guard that attracts an enormous amount of attention. Chet's shot has been figured out years ago and is respected so he can pull off more moves off the dribble with better spacing

[–] lowellJK@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He should play as a 5. Chet is having a great season in OKC. Sure, Pop knows a bit more than me about basketball but this is starting to get outrageous.

[–] AnthonyTyrael@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He's on the right track. Been impressed by him already. Of course, he's young, a rookie, foreigner too. Give him time and the Spurs more draft picks once again.

[–] AtreusIsBack@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

People hate it when a player is overhyped by the media before he even does anything. Same thing happened with Zion and it's the reason why Luka became so beloved, because the media paid very little attention to him in his rookie year, until he started playing like a veteran.

Wemby is the opposite. It's not that he's playing like shit, but by the media's narrative and standards, he should be a borderline MVP candidate right now. I mean, that's what people were saying after the draft, that he'll be an MVP in his first few seasons.

Overhyped and now reality is sinking in.

[–] faithdies@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because the average person has the object permeance and pattern recognition skills of a child and are proud of it

[–] Thejohnshirey@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I’m just burnt out of the media hyping him up. I think he could be a great player, but do I need six ESPN notifications about things he did during a game where he shot 1-7 from three and lost by 25?

[–] sukari@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure the haters went into hiding early in the season and now they're just coming back out feeling vindicated

[–] JohnCenaJunior@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think his knees are done for

[–] Alex_O7@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think the hype was massive and the fact they can't buy a win... but people forgot almost all rookies couldn't buy wins in their first year and in particular in the first few games. People forgot also Lebron went 4-15 in the first 19 games, just comparing if Wemby and the Spurs went 2-1 next 3 games they will be equal...

Also as pointed by many others, Spurs need more to gain experience and future high picks for the next 1-2 years than winning now. You either Chet that land on an already good team.

[–] EchoLooper@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Dumb fucks.

[–] ZeusJuice@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Counterjerk + Chet being really efficient and also technically being a rookie

[–] AlrightAaron@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He was being compared and many said he was a better prospect than LeBron. I told people who said that before the draft that they were insane.

[–] Glittering_Cod_7716@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

What’s funny is a lot of peoples “excuse” is that some guy on the television channel they usually shit on for being dumbasses said this guy was gonna win 10 MVP’s from day one lmao

[–] caribbeanlatina@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

counterjerk

[–] feel32own@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure /r/reddit has a better feeling about true player performance than media. Now everything started really well with Wemby, everyone agrees he is a generational talent. Some of his highlights are insane. The problem is that the media/NBA put him as ROTY while Chet was cooking even better. Because like i said, as a group, r/reddit has a better feeling on true player performance, his impact to winning - we smelled this BS and had to counterjerk on Wemby in order for media to see that he may not be the number one rookie AS OF NOW. Is he still generational talent? Yes

[–] Fatigue-20@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I don't agree with your point Sochan comment. I know Spurs shouldn't prioritize the play-in or higher but if you want to improve the rest of the squad, you should at least have a half-decent point guard so that right habits could flourish. Even TJ McConnell instead of Sochan would make Wemby look two times better in the offensive end. If you want an example look what happened with Rockets. They left the ball to Kevin fucking Potter Jr for the last two seasons and they were horrible beyond words. After FVV came you started to see Sengun and others to play actually efficient.

For tldr, get a bench point guard from another team and replace Sochan, Jeremy can play forward and make plays from there.

[–] canti-@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The circlejerk on him was unbearable. People are always hyped for the #1 guy but the front page was like 50% him

[–] Jack_Shitlord@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't even say he's that raw. He's incredibly skilled already, just inefficient as the often first option on a young lottery team. He still routinely puts up unreal lines and has 2 or 3 jawdropping plays every game. He looks "raw" compared to Chet who is 1) an efficiency machine, at least partly because he is 2) on a good team where he is the 3rd/4th offensive option. In conclusion: people are dumb.

[–] hibbjibbity@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

took the words right from my mouth

[–] bandwagonguy83@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

People is not that down. The problem is that media hyped too much Wemby, and everyone was too high before the season started. Now, Chet is playing great, Wemby had a bad week, and people is overreacting. If wemby has a couple more of games like the one last night, probably we will reach a balance and acknoledge that Chet vs. Wemby is pretty close, and that both of them are extremely promising.

[–] segson9@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Because of the hype. Everyone was saying he's the best prospect ever (he might be, but it's still very early) and there were talks about Spurs making the playoffs (or even more) and even Wemby being top 20 player (or something like that) in the league and things like that.

Most of the media and NBA fans and analysts don't really follow European basketball, so they didn't really know how Wemby was playing in Europe. They just saw crazy body and great stats and thought he'd average 30/10/5 or something like that. But now that he's been "just" good so far everyone is dissapointed.

If you actually watched him play and understood the level of competition he was playing in, you knew he still has a lot of weaknesses. That team was designed for Wemby to get his stats. He also had poor shot selection, had trouble with stronger players and made a lot of mistakes in general. Also French league isn't exactly Euroleague level or even Spanish league level.

People compared him to Luka, but Luka was dominating in Euroleague in a team that has to win almost every game. Much more pressure in a much better league and more serious basketball. That's why Luka was a star so quickly when he came in the NBA. Jokic would be a better comparisson in terms of stats. He played in Adriatic league (similar level to French) in a team that focuses on player development (Mega). He domintated statistically there, probably even more than Wemby. And it took him a few years in the NBA to really become great.

[–] Jvlockhart@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I always give the rookies 3 years as probationary period. There are lots of ROTY but didn't met the expectations. 3 years would be enough development for them and see what they're capable of

[–] Welbinho@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It’s because he came out as a Tottenham fan

[–] Directionerection@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Over hyped and shit attitude. Enjoying the spurs and him sucking ass

[–] Hour_Insurance_7795@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The more the hype, the more we want to see you fall (subconsciously or otherwise). It’s quite literally biological, human nature. Everyone is guilty of it to one extent or another in life.

[–] Extraordinary_DREB@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He is getting the LeBron treatment. Do great or you’re shit.

Honestly even if he does great he will get shit on

Hype begets anti-hype.

[–] dadsmilk420@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Probably because the spurs haven't been doing great. Not saying that's a good reason, his individual play should be what people judge more than W/L especially for someone in their rookie year. But at the same time I suppose that shows the expectations on him, a lot of people thought he on his own would be enough to bring the Spurs to a decent record

[–] ajpainter24@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The one thing that DOES worry me about Wemby is his lack of stamina. He looks gassed after 10 minutes on the floor. If that is always gonna be the case, his value will drop as a player…

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[–] Maydietoday@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The Chet GWH narrative is what happened. Can’t have both.

[–] loxleynew@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He's just tall has no touch. He will be good not great

[–] Faost42@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

San Antonio is just developing the next decades Dynasty. Have patience y'all !

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