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I immediately reject any theories that pretend to βknowβ what they are talking about. I mean WTF are they talking about here ? We have limited senses to sense this world and limited communication capabilities, that was built on top of our fear of death and suddenly these theories trying to claim they βknow it allβ and this is the βjudgmentβ. WTF. Get off your high horse.
Nobody knows anything. We ALL are just dumb. World is too big to know.
Hmmm.. I believe in not having babies but for different reasons than that. I personally don't see any reason to have them, especially because many seem to get them because they get pressured into it or are expected to have them or even as a safety net when they get old?
I think that many regret having kids but don't want to admit it. Kind of like buyers remorse
Also, making decisions in what others should do, with such fundamental rights is not something I would support.
One word: bullshit. One name: Siddhartha Gauttama. The guy nailed it about "inevitability" of suffering
Hell yeah Linnahall, it's a cool place been there a few times myself
I think the future is bleak and procreation at this point is selfish. I'm not one to prescribe what other people can do, but even if I still could I would never have a child.
I see the whole thing as what happens when people fail to move beyond teenage angst. Having children or not is a a very big, very personal choice. And I fully respect someone who chooses not to, whether their reasons are personal, economic, religious or whatever. You do you. Turning that outward to the argument that humans are horrible, life is suffering and no one should ever have children is taking that sort of thing to the point of hypocritical religious zealotry. No, you didn't get to consent to being born. Until you were born, you didn't have the capacity. But, once you are an adult you have your full faculties and can make choices for yourself. If you really feel that existence is that horrible, there's a solution for that at your nearest tall bridge. Except, these folks never actually follow through. They want the attention that suicide brings, without that whole dying bit.
So ya, I fully understand that someone may choose not to have children. There are many valid reasons for making that choice. The whole argument that life is so terrible that we should work to off ourselves as a species, isn't valid. It's a cry for attention and the folks feeling that way should seek professional help.
just ignore all those hundreds of millions of suicide victims, none of them actually do it, they just want attention. you have a bit of teenage angst of your own left unresolved.
Oh, found the nerve. You're sitting around dressed in black on black listening to some "edgy" band I've never heard of, right?
And yes I'm ignoring the folks who commit suicide. They aren't the people arguing for others to not have children or for the end of all humanity. They are completely beside the argument about anti-natalism. We're talking about your philosophy here, do keep up. If you're arguing that humanity should be ended, then you really have two logic options:
Hanging about for some misguided sense of "I need to convert the masses" is just the same sort of messianic bullshit every cult leader engages in. Convince the dupes to follow your bullshit, while never actually following it yourself. And much like the crap from cult leaders, the philosophy is bullshit. There may be some nuggets of truth and useful ideas buried inside it, but it's wrapped up in enough shit to render the whole worthless. Its a philosophy which has latched on to the same thinking as the guy on the corner with "The End is Nigh!" written in large, dark letters on a sign, ranting about whatever form of doom is en vogue. Those guys have been hanging about for millennia, none of them have been right. But hey, maybe the next one will be the ticket.
Yup, the world's got problems. If your solution is "give up" then you're part of the problem. The world gets better when people choose to fix it. But that's hard, usually slow (including moving backwards on occasion) and requires effort. Giving up is easy. The hardest part is maintaining the flexibility in your shoulders to keep patting yourself on the back. And that's all this philosophy is, it's giving up with excuses to justify it to yourself. it's a short-sighted view of the world, hyper-focused on the things which are bad.
If you really feel that things are that bad, instead of giving up or killing yourself (seriously, don't do that. It improves nothing), find a small corner of the world which you can make better and go do it. Plant a tree, at least the world has one more tree now. Help troubled children, the fact that you are able to waste time arguing on the internet with idiots like me proves that you live an absolutely charmed life compared to many, many people, go make one of their lives a bit better. Go create something, the world needs more art. The time you just wasted on my trolling could have been far better spent on learning to paint or just rubbing one out. I mean, I get it, arguing with idiots on the internet is like masturbation, it's fun at first but really you're just screwing yourself. At least with real masturbation you get a refractory period to go do something useful with a clear mind. Give up on giving up, and make the hard choice to make the world better. Sure, you'll fail a lot. That's part of what makes it hard. But the successes are worth the effort.
you have a bit of teenage angst of your own left unresolved.
Seriously? You can do better than that. At least try to put more effort into the insult than "no, you". Something like "brain-washed" or "child-pilled". Or is that "natal-pilled", what is the appropriate "-pilled" insult here? Even "neo-lib sheep" would have shown some imagination. Also, I've pretty much set you up for a whole host of insults over my masturbatory habits and things being "hard", let's see you really pound something out here.
Sometimes it's due to trauma, fear and ideological confusion, which is valid, sometimes it's just a way for people to be even more selfish, nihilistic and hedonistic without the optics associated with them. It also feels like the equivalent of angry/sad MGTOW but for life and it's biological imperative, not just women. To each their own. π€·
I guess I've accepted it. Seeing how history has gone, and current US politics, your dependent are likely to be victims of war, slavery, diseases, or experimentation. I have to wonder what is the "good life" or pleasant? Like is it just taking drugs and having sex all the time? We can't have endless creature comforts.
It's just me life doesn't have high highs but very low lows
I don't think it's fine to think other people are assholes for having kids but I think it's completely fine to not want to being a kid into this world
I think it's a bit of a cunty outlook. I have some sympathy for the childfree brigade, as I understand society can make you feel bad (if you let it) for not having kids. But then again, I wasn't a dad until I was 38 and never experienced any negativity for that decision. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Essentially I dislike any mindset that judges others for their procreative choices.
It's a natural consequence of negative utilitarianism. But even that aside, I can't ask any potential offspring for permission so it's best to leave it alone.
I certainly like humus more than humans, so...
But seriously, anti-natalism sits on consequentialism as a hard to deny entailment. If you believe in consequentialism and utilitarianism, you're basically there.
