Shoot them down
this post was submitted on 21 Sep 2025
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It's honestly that simple. Might start a wider war, but to be honest, Ukraine could probably use more real support.
When it comes to Russia it's Enter airspace= shoot down
It's that simple. Yes it is on Russia to make sure they don't fuck that up from now on period. If they cross into anyone else's airspace, send them a location on where to pick up the remains. Let their population realize they are the aggression, and their leaders don't give a fuck about their families.
Edit: yes, Russia will say they weren't crossing airspace, their people aren't any dumber then anywhere else. They will understand just as any of us would. If you think "Norway" or "the U.S." knows something, it's bull, we know nothing more than Russia does
Edit: yes, Russia will say they weren't crossing airspace
Can’t cross into foreign airspace if Russia considers all of it its own territory
Turkey did it once.
I agree but only if it's over land so that there's no plausible deniability of airspace violation.
They are testing the water. Seeing if NATO has any teeth or if it's just going to "Strongly condemn" these actions
They definitely want to see what happens now that the US is basically interested in only itself.
They definitely want to see what happens now that the US is ~~basically interested in only itself.~~ run by a russian asset.
ftfy
It’s really amazing just how completely and embarrassingly the Republican party has become subservient to russia. And how little of a shit they give about the Constitution.
Some of that, but Putin can't afford to loose against Ukraine alone. Getting NATO involved would give him a way of saving face.
We should give him that.
It's not much different than the Kirk shooting. It doesn't matter what the circumstances actually were. They're going to use it how they want anyway.
Is it slightly more convenient if NATO actually defends themselves and Ukraine? Sure. Are they going to say the same things no matter what? Absolutely.
I don't think that's really the case. The 700 000 soldiers will still wreak havoc if they return. They need to be absolutely clear heroes so that the people will accept the havoc, and they won't be heroes if the Russia loses to anything, in any manner.
I believe the only reason the Russia is doing this is that they believe they can make NATO break that way.
But, it seems likely that the Article 4 discussions for Poland and Estonia will establish a procedure for behaving with further Russian incursions into NATO airspace. Once that's in place and communicated to the Russia, we can react.
And in all analysis of the Russia, keep this in mind: Putin has never used Internet and is refusing to ever use it. He only accepts information from trusted news sources and his personal aides, all of which are liars. He is extremely strongly out of the loop regarding what's going on around the Russia, and makes weird assumptions. I don't think it holds water that this could break NATO, but it is easy to see why Putin would think it will.
"Hey... Stop :("
--NATO
Whip up some GLONASS jammers and point them at their jets. See how they like it.
I heard we recently developed an extremely effective jammer that completely disables communications and navigation equipment in the target aircraft. It's called an AMRAAM, and I really hope a russian jet over NATO airspace eats one soon.
✓ russian_jets.test.js (1)
✓ enter estonia airspace
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