Not sure what kind of "together" we can have. Working with anti-MAGA conservatives is supposedly wrong, working with (even anti Netanyahu) Israel supporters is supposedly wrong - won't get a majority that way.
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Memes and jokes will break this administration.
I can't believe we're not even one year into this yet.
That's not the only way.
To be fair, quite a few have been. Theyr targeting each other
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The Heritage Foundation is a cancer. It has to be irradiated, then cut out.
I think the biggest problem American politics has is only going to be fixed my overturning Citizens United
The only way to defeat us is if the Trump administration and the movement that undergirds it manages to divide us. We can’t let that happen. To win as a majority coalition, we must always invite everybody who believes in civil liberties and human rights.
Agreed. The purity testing and splintering into to niche issues is what always screws the left.
If people could just focus and align on some core root cause issues, like getting corrupt money out of politics, the message would be stronger.
But but… wHaT aBoUt SuPpOrTiNg GeNoCiDe?
All well and good, but what happens when someone comes to the meeting and says "we should end corruption and remove Trump, but I don't like DEI policies."
I'm guessing that will suddenly be added to the "root" cause and we're right back into splintering and purity spirals again.
@FaceDeer @just_another_person @simplejack
"I'm a huge racist, but I don't like Trump. Can I join your group?"
No.
That person should go find a "Racists Against Trump" group.
This is another perfect example of the point I'm making. The slightest variation from perfect alignment with your complete set of ideals and you'd rather descend into a purity spiral and purge your own supporters than beat Trump.
@FaceDeer @just_another_person @simplejack
I'm not going to partner with racists. I am not sorry.
If you are willing to work with fascists and racists, you are not my ally.
Be careful with insisting on "all or nothing", you often end up with "nothing." Like what happened in the 2024 election.
Also, I am not a racist. If you read my other comments you'll find that I'm in favor of the intent of DEI programs, they've just been implemented badly in many cases. But it's just like the virtue-signalling that Trump himself demands of his followers, the moment I said something that seemed slightly out of step I get ejected into the "enemy" camp. No compromise, no effort to understand nuance.
Well, bold strategy, good luck with your future elections I guess.
@FaceDeer @just_another_person @simplejack
I'll take nothing over partnering with racists.
Winning with racists is losing.
And the racists winning without you is an even bigger loss.
The biggest loss would be aligning with racists.
I'm wondering if some people actually understand what being on the progressive left even means.
Partnering with racists makes you a racist, win or lose.
No, the biggest loss would be fascists staying in power and eliminating racism by eliminating all but one race. Material conditions are much, much more important than ideals.
Is the life of every minority a worthy cost for standing by your principles? If, I hypothetically, you knew for a fact that losing would mean total ethnic cleansing, would you still refuse to accept the support of racists to elect someone you knew for a fact wouldn't do ethnic cleansing?
Yes, we've all seen the Trolley Problem. It's bullshit.
Just like this entire question. People who hate DEI aren't trying to join the left. No one on the left has to reject racists because racists hate us too.
This whole thread is basically trying to split the left. But the funniest part is pretending the fascists and the racists aren't the same people.
Yes, we've all seen the Trolley Problem. It's bullshit.
That's not an answer. Is it worth it or not?
This whole thread is basically trying to split the left.
That's what you got from this? It's overwhelmingly people rightfully pointing out that these line-in-the-sand ideals are what's splitting the left.
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You know what really has to happen. Just nobody has the guts to do it.
It will take more than that. There is a lot of rot.
oh 10 or 15 ought to do it. The rest are cowards and will have always been agaisnt maga.
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We could have done that last November, but some people decided it was better to single-issue abstain / protest vote / spread FUD / otherwise get in the way. Yes, I'm still salty about that.
I’m a salt mine over this. And now that they have full power, because fucking snowflakes couldn’t even bother to vote on the local and state level, they will not give up that power. People are dying, poor families with disabled children are losing healthcare, trans people are under federal attack, science and education is being gutted, and on and on, because of political edge lords.
There won’t be another chance. Vote next time or don’t, it won’t matter because fascists aren’t going to just say ‘welp, I guess I’ve been voted out now’. Like we were saying, 2024 was the last free election if they won. But they couldn’t be bothered.
Add some potatoes to me, I’m done.
I’m a salt mine over this.
I like that expression.
People are dying, poor families with disabled children are losing healthcare, trans people are under federal attack, science and education is being gutted, and on and on
According to the people we're both salty at, that's apparently an acceptable price to pay to "teach the Dems a lesson". (That was one of the most common reasons they'd give last year, and yep, I'm still salty about that too).
But at least they saved Palestine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
And the lesson the DNC learned was "try harder to appeal to fascists"
You know, like we said they would because that's been their reaction each time they've lost over the last forty years
People didn't learn from the "Bernie Bros" who told people not to vote for Clinton in 2016.
Two things I always point out.
Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln in 1860, despite the fact that Lincoln was not an abolition candidate. At best he was willing to consider it. Douglas could have backed a full on abolitionsit, but he decided it was better to win with a poor candidate than to lose with a perfect one.
Second, MLK had a gay second in command. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin]
Rustin and King knew that 1960s America wasn't ready for a gay rights movement, so they kept Rustin in the background.
Please stop repeating this myth. 80% of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in 2016. This was up to 10% higher than the percentage of Clinton supporters who voted for Barack Obama in 2008.
Exactly.
Hillary lost because she was an unpopular candidate who represented The Establishment™ against an anti-establishment buffoon and then proceeded to botch her campaign, fucking around in Michigan (and then blowing the campaign.)
things like telling the SEIU not to focus on Michigan to "fool" trump into competing in Iowa.
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Rustin and King knew that 1960s America wasn’t ready for a gay rights movement, so they kept Rustin in the background.
Though it is worth pointing out MLK's movement continued to expand to other groups, was more of a pro-socialist push near the end and probably would have kept going, had he not gotten shot.
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With clubs, in a large group, Caesar-style, so nobody knows which of us did it?
The only way to defeat us is if the Trump administration and the movement that undergirds it manages to divide us. We can’t let that happen. To win as a majority coalition, we must always invite everybody who believes in civil liberties and human rights.
Sooooo we're defeated? 1/3 of the population voted for this and is actively cheering it on, 1/3 don't give enough of a shit to take action for whatever reason, and the last 1/3 are the target of the first 1/3.
How the fuck are we supposed to band together and "invite everybody that believes in civil liberties and human rights" when half of the country is either championing or passively allowing the stripping away of those rights? This would require the right wing to fundamentally shift their views on immigrants and gay people, which they obviously have no interest in doing.
All that was needed to defeat Hitler was to make the Nazis see Jews as people.
That's pretty much what's being said here. Can we please be realistic and not pretend that both sides are equal and valid in their rationale and behavior? If someone starts punching every gay person around them, you don't tell the gay people to be more cooperative and understanding, you arrest the fucker and punish them.
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