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It's not like Chinese EV's are bad, but they have started a war to overtake EV industry.
Their government is founding EV companies, to advance and take the lead, putting at risk companies like Ford, BMW and so on.
I sawthis video, and I saw how they have managed to change battery instead of charging the car, and I was impressed of what they can actually do.
Seems to me that the happy medium here might be a lower tariff. 100% was never justified, but 10% or 25% might be. Just enough to allow European and Japanese manufacturers (I don't give a damn about the US at this point) to price their vehicles somewhat competitively even though they don't have the advantage of ignoring labour rights.
I'd buy a Chinese EV. I need an inexpensive vehicle to go from A to B in a city. There doesn't seem to be an inexpensive option anymore in North America.
"inexpensive vehicle" usually means a pre-owned vehicle and there are plenty of affordable pre-owned EVs and hybrids on the market. If you're the kind who buys new cars, then Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are the least expensive. If you compare with new ICE cars, don't forget to account for gasoline cost.
Canada needs to diversify the trade to rely less on the USA. The current gov has a huge problem on their hands but also opportunities to do something new!
When it comes to the EV tariffs I see opportunities for Canada, we have factories, some of the raw materials, Human Resources, experienceand logistics in place for the automotive industry! The Ev industry needs more than the cars there is a new ecosystem that can be worked with Chinese companies by doing knowledge transfer, manufacture autos + parts by bringing the suppliers as well. EVs need batteries and the charging network, we can bring these items to the trade talks.
China al has the largest high-speed rail network and why not expand the deals to help Canada build our high-speed rail Network?
Canada can do this and all other things without close relationships with China or other dictatorships. Such governments aren't reliable partners. There are no human rights in China, no willingness to make supply chains transparent, an the country shields off it domestic markets from foreign competition.
Sounds like an easy decision; we sell our rapeseed and get non-American cars.
Serious question; how much does China subsidize EV sales to glut markets and buy market share? I'm guessing it's non-zero.
I'd love to see canola embargoes open because I have a bunch of bins full, but is this fair to other vendors, domestic and other foreign makers?
Australians have access to Chinese EVs, why can't we?
With Canada so obsessed with keeping vehicle manufacturing jobs to the detriment of every Canadian not wanting to buy American cars. Why does Canada drop the Chinese tarrifs but demand certain assembly and manufacturing of Chinese vehicles happen in Canada?
Sounds like a win win, but they are too stuck on the idea they should only manufacture cars from incumbent companies that are stuck in the past. Canada has significant geological resources like lithium and rare earth metals is an even better reason to be excited about EV production in Canada.
On October 8th, after Carney's meeting with Trump, Lutnick said that the US is going to insist on dominating the North American auto market and have assembly all happen in the US with Canada being forced into a subordinate role.
We need alternatives.
I doubt we will make this deal with China, because the US will not tolerate that, but it would be much better for Canadians.
It would be a catastrophe for Canadians as China seeks to exploit trade opportunities with other countries while at the same time protect its home markets through a wide range of measures no Western country has ever done. Just look at China's trade balances, for example, and you see what happens. But I guess not all people want to see the truth.
Sock puppet Scotty, at it again, joined by sock puppet randomname this time. What time are you two clocking off for the day?
I say we do this. The ONLY reason Canada put tariffs on Chinese EVs is because of the US - back when the US was our friend. Those days are well over.
From what I understand, Chinese EVs out perform the US ones (charge quicker with longer range) and are way cheaper.
I have a security concern with Chinese EVs.
They're far too computerized, and connected, at this point.
The last thing I want is the ability for the Chinese government to disable a quarter of the Canadian vehicle fleet if they decided they wanted to. Or potentially even worse than disabling them in some cases.
Canada should not buy those american F35's for exactly the same reason(s).
American cars are the same, and China hasn't joked about making us their 24th province.
I'm far less concerned about the American government disabling vehicles in Canada. If America wanted to take us over we couldn't even dream of stopping them.
China could benefit from causing problems though.
At this point it's not even inconceivable for Americans to do something as retaliation for, say, Dougie Ford shutting down electricity. Or use it as a bargain chip as part of playing it tough in a negotiation.
Or forget the taking us over bit. It's not the taking over that is hard for them, it's keeping control. We can very effectively resist and make the occupation extremely costly for them. Every bit of leverage they have makes this harder.
Fuck, is it that inconceivable that if they go full Gilead they wouldn't start shit like controlling whether you can drive your car to an abortion clinic?
No, China hasn't joked about that, but they will do so if they can.
China isnβt Canadaβs friend. Spending money on Chinese goods means you are funding Russiaβs war against Ukraine.
If you need to import something, why not import it from the EU? They make EVs. As does South Korea.
This reasoning is weird. Was buying American goods or UK goods or German goods funding Israel's genocide in Gaza??
Why buying Chinese goods funding Chinese genocide in Xinjiang, Tibet, Inner Mongolia?
Are you asking me or the person I'm responding to? They are the one that started talking about buying things as funding genocides. I merely questioned the consistency of applying the principle.
Wanna see a trick? I can make bots appear, watch this:
Maybe if China agrees to stop being a threat to Taiwan, stops interfering in our politics, and stops spying on us, and builds some auto plants here to employ some Canadians, we can talk about their fucking EVs. Until then, we already have one international bully as a trade partner, we don't need more.
Canada lied about stop selling arms to israel who are we to gives lessons?
The reasons we have tariffs on China has nothing to do with bs you spew we did it to protect the usa car industry
The American and Japanese auto industries both employ Canadians.
Chinese would also employ Canadians or any other countries investing in Canada. Why couldn't we start investing in our own companies to build cars?
Chinese would also employ Canadians or any other countries investing in Canada.
No. Chinese factories abroad employ Chinese migrant workers as it has been also said here on Lemmy multiple times. Also, Canadian suppliers won't be deliver much as Chinese EV makes employ their own suppliers from integrated value chains.
@DonkMagnum @IndridCold Not a fan of China, but it's sort of rich to demand non-interference when inferring some interference ourselves.
Maybe if China agrees to stop being a threat to Taiwan, stops interfering in our politics
Also this is rich:
builds some auto plants here to employ some Canadians,
So does that mean we will be basing our canola growers in China?
You forgot one thing, when OP has a bad take it is called "the correct opinion and the obvious stance expressed with freedom" when some else does (or has a good take that OP doesn't like) it's called bots interfering in our politics.
lol. Do you really think the economic impact of our canola industry is on par with the potential impact Chinese EVs? It's a ridiculous notion.
Is it? Have you run the numbers?
Just think about the amount of land in Canada dedicated to growing canola vs the amount dedicated to building EVs. Or the number of people employed, for that matter.
@DonkMagnum No, I do not.
But it does beg the question why you didn't lead with that instead of your cute grandstanding initial comment.
Do it. Canola is an important industry to Canada and we don't make evs here anyway.
Between USA that has gone completely mad and this other superpower, China, that supports Russia, which wages war against its allies, this put Canada in a difficult situation. Canola and electric vehicles might just be entry level bargaining points ... who knows, certainly not me.
I don't drive, but that'd be cool if canola oil became even cheaper. :3
The oil would become more expensive, because it can now be exported cheaper.
Dang peacocks >:(
This would be a bad deal for Canada.
Yeah, kneecapping our canola industry to support the USA's foreign policy, on the other hand, is a great deal for us.
This would be a bad deal for ~~Canada~~ the big car companies that have been producing massive, dangerous, filthy, wasteful monster trucks instead of smaller EVs thanks to protectionist policies.
FTFY
Accusing Canada or other Western countries of protectionism while defending China is a bit of hypocrisy, no?
In addition, look why these ChEaP cHiNeSe CaRs are that cheap. I don't want to buy a car or anything else that is made by slave labor.
This would be a bad deal for Canada.
Point out even a single Canadian-made EV that would be affected by this.
There are no negative effects, so long as the vehicles pass safety standards. Bonus if we can enter into partnerships that would see those EVs assembled here.
And the low cost of these EVs would make vehicle ownership far easier for our young people, who already have an environment 8Γ more expensive (compared to their median wage) than their parents experienced at the same age.
The entire Canadian economy would be negatively effected in the long-term by such a move.