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Is Ubuntu deserving the hate? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Loucypher@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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Long story short, I have a desktop with Fedora, lovely, fast, sleek and surprisingly reliable for a near rolling distro (it failed me only once back around Fedora 34 or something where it nuked Grub). Tried to install on a 2012 i7 MacBook Air… what a slog!!!!! Surprisingly Ubuntu runs very smooth on it. I have been bothering all my friends for years about moving to Fedora (back then it was because I hated Unity) but now… I mean, I know that we are suppose to hate it for Snaps and what not but… Christ, it does run well! In fairness all my VMs are running DietPi (a slimmed version of Ubuntu) and coming back to the APT world feels like coming back home.

On the other end forcing myself to be on Fedora allows me to stay on the DNF world that is compatible with Amazon Linux etc (which I use for work), it has updated packages, it is nice and clean…. Argh, don’t know how to decide!

Thoughts?

I am not in the mood for Debian. I like the Mint approach but I am not a fan of slow rolling releases and also would like to keep myself as close as upstream as possible, the Debian version is the only one that seems reliable enough but, again, it is Debian, the packages are “old”. Pop Os and similar are two hops away from upstream and so I’d rather not.

Is Snap really that bad?

Edit: thank you all for sharing your experience !

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[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

i heard all this shit about linux and nvidia

i installed Ubuntu and EVERYTHING WORKS

[–] polographer@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I recently got a workstation class desktop for my home server and I had so many issues with Debian that I have to search an alternative, Ubuntu supported the hardware natively and I even got a firmware update. I think the hate is really unfounded. Of course there is corporate decisions, but so far it has never get in my way. I have it with a lot of docker containers and a lot hardware integrations. Even the secure boot with nvdia card is easy. I only installed virt-manager via snap, the other things were directly with apt. I did enable the live patch and that’s a nice addition to don’t need to restart a lot.

I think you should give it a try, so far it has worked for me.

[–] ipsirc@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

*buntu doesn't even deserve threads like this.

[–] LoveSausage@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Long time since I used Ubuntu,, remember updates breaking network twice.. Peppermint OS, Debian(and devuan if you don't like systemd) based. all the important bits (not arch level) but nothing more. Rolling, Runs on 1 GB ram. Haven't distro hopped anymore since I found it.

Stable base , extra on top

“Everything you need and nothing you don’t."

[–] logir@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it based on debian unstable or testing?

[–] LoveSausage@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bookworm stable. https://peppermintos.com/about/

[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is Ubuntu trying embrace, extend, exterminate?

I just realised snaps kind of look like "extend", after a long period of "embrace".

Did anyone write about it, yet? Am I overthinking it?

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[–] octatron@lmy.drundo.com.au 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is nixos very upstream? I kinda like the idea of creating an immutable script that assembles my os just how I like, configured installed and ready with flatpaks for apps so they're all sitting securely in their respective boxes. I think this is also Chris Fishers preference as well ;)

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've tried running guix for a while and it was pure pain.

For example, a small change that would take adding a few lines in a single file, becomes a week long brainfuck of modifying the system configuration and rewriting package definitions.

It's incomparably more smooth to just use it as an extra pm instead of a whole distro.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I used to use Ubuntu before unity and switched to Debian 👑 in 2012. I still have to use Ubuntu for work and I just get on with it. It could be worse.... I could have to use windows.

Anyway my main gripes with Ubuntu are snaps and how they keep swapping packages in apt to be installed as snaps .

I dont hate it, its a tool and in most cases I can use it and there is no problem if not there are other options.

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I have a desktop with Fedora

IMO snaps aren't bad enough to choose IBM instead

[–] juli@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

What if you just use distrobox in the future? You can use debian/ubuntu with it on whatever system you use. On my fedora silverblue installation almost everything is seperated from the OS. I barely touch the OS. It doesn't really matter if I'm on silverblue, microos or vanillaos. I want to switch to microos because it comes with firefox as a flatpak ootb and other minor things. It's jist not worth it anymore to switch the distro

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is some stuff that I hate, but I tend to come back to it for my home server just because of livepatch, which is nice to minimize the amount of reboots necessary and having a patched kernel for all my LXCs makes then also automatically protected.

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