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[–] Zorque@kbin.social 192 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google took its time stepping up, but it’s better late than never

So Apple completely fails to give any kind of fuck that some people don't use their products but might be affected by them... and Google is the bad guy for not being timely enough to account for Apples douchebaggery? I mean, I'm no google fanboy, but jesus christ that's some shitty logic.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Apple created an app to detect airtags for Android but...

  1. It takes 2 full minutes to do a scan (only manual scans are supported)

  2. For some reason you need to wait a timer of TEN FUCKING MINUTES before make the tracker beep (close the app and you need to wait the ten minutes again)

It's the most minimum viable product that they could ship, I think the long waits are all artificial because there's no way that someone actually waits all that time each time that wants to check if he's stalked by an airtag. It's clearly designed for compliance "see? We made a detection app for Android users" and not for being actually used

[–] avogadro@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Any form of Android compatibility must be maximally enshittified to encourage switching -- see iMessage. Unless of course it generates revenue for Apple -- see Apple Music. Not being stalked/murdered using Air Tags does not generate revenue for Apple: next time buy an iPhone.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Including the most basic task of plugging in an Android phone to access files on MacOS. It just works on Linux or Windows, but with MacOS I had to go the extra step of having to download and install Android File Transfer. And then wasn't even able to preview pics from the phone storage and had to move the files to the PC.

Apple probably wants people to go I should get an iPhone. But, given the experience of how it just works on Windows and Linux my thought was wow Apple is shit at compatability with everything that isn't Apple.

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[–] Gahedros@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The waits are by design. Without them, it would be trivial to find an airtag in something you are going to steal and remove it.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google took its time stepping up, but it’s better late than never

And Google is postponing the launch of their trackers compatible with Google Find My network (Chipolo Point, PebbleBee) because Apple didn't get around with adding stalking detection for these in time.

In this case if someone needs to step up and get their shit together, it's Apple.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Google has already confirmed that Unknown Tracker Alerts is only compatible with AirTags for the time being, but didn’t specify why

It would seem like the “why” is pretty obvious. Most active iPhones now have AirTag tracking installed on them. That’s not the case for trackers like Tile.

That means Apple has the biggest tracking network right now. It dwarfs the others. FindMy network devices should be the clear priority. They’re more precise, encounter fewer dead zones, and in other words, are likely a stalker’s preferred tracker.

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't you have it backwards? It's not the phones, its the trackers.

And the obvious reason is apple and google built it, so of course Tile is behind. If google already had trackers, that sentence would say AirTags and googleTags*

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (16 children)

That is also likely a factor. There are more AirTags in the wild than Tiles.

That said, my point is that AirTags present more risk because they’re a better product. And they’re a better product because of the substantially bigger network.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Think they're referring to Tile tags.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am as well. AirTags have outsold Tile significantly, and they’re waaaay more accurate because of the much bigger network.

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[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I fail to understand where the "why" comes in. You gave some disparate conclusions. yes airtag is installed on iPhone and tile isn't. So what? Yes, airtags is a big network. Again, I repeat, so what? Are you saying they did the largest network first? Whatever it is, you forgot to state the obvious part of your claim. It definitely isn't obvious.

[–] EliasChao@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the thing is that, in order to have a successful and reliable Tile network, you need as much people as possible to install the Tile app so their phones can communicate with their trackers.

Whereas with Find My, you have everybody’s Apple devices being part of the network without them doing anything, their devices just do it, without intervention from other users. That’s a massive advantage for Apple’s offering.

On similar note, if Google comes up with something similar where they can leverage all of the Android devices out there, it’d be an enormous network.

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[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I can't find it on Android 12

It is following the usual Google release schedule "USA first, fuck the rest of the world"?

Also, is it possible to dismiss warnings like "I know, that's mine"?

Edit: after a reboot I got the option in settings

[–] Virkkunen@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I think this is a rare time that Google remembers the rest of the world exists. In here in Hungary, android 13, and the setting was available and was already on.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't have it, Germany, on Android 12.

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Nevermind, showed up after a restart, so I guess it was just waiting to install the relevant google service update.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

Cool, I just rebooted and now I have it too, thanks

[–] Genghis@monero.town 12 points 1 year ago

Been using this open source app for a while now. AirGuard

[–] schnokobaer@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Didn't need to set up anything, it was on and worked by default.

[–] notabird@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got an alert yesterday when I traveled by Bus. I see false positives scaring people using public transport.

[–] schnokobaer@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Shouldn't really happen because it only alerts for Airtags that are not with their owner. Then again, they only just released the ability to share an Airtag among multiple iPhone users, so false positives in public transport could be shared Airtags that are with people who haven't set up that feature yet.

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[–] yggdar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is great! My phone doesn't get updates very often, but this feature is already available and was turned on by default. (Moto G31)

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Yep, it was enabled by default on my Pixel 6 Pro, too. Glad to see that it's on by default, and not something that only a savvy user would ever find to enable on their own.

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago

This is fantastic

[–] Kanzar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Restarted my phone, but s21u in Australia - can't find the setting. I'm updated on everything on gplay and sappstore so... 🤷🏻‍♀️

[–] pgetsos@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I was waiting for Google tags to put one in my bike and car as an andi-theft measure instead of paying for GPS services (for my car only). But I see that it will soon be completely unusable for such a use case....

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Your Google Play Services might not have updated yet.

[–] SwallowsDick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought there was already an app for this? Good that it's a default part of Android now though

[–] Spider89@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

There's AirGuard. A FOSS app that detects more than AirTags.

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yea but now it'll be turned on by default on newer androids

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