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And pull themselves up by their bootstraps as usual?

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 147 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Imagine living in the 2020's in the developed world and not realizing that internet access is a basic necessity.

Then imagine being the sort of person who would deny poor people basic necessities

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Imagine living in the 2020’s in the developed world and not realizing that internet access is a basic necessity.

Then imagine being the sort of person who would deny poor people basic necessities

Standard Republican Worldview

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

My mom works with internet people. I remember when I was a kid she was making fun of them for saying internet should be a basic human right. Nowadays, it would be hard to find someone who doesn't think that lol

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[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 66 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Hows about "Create local and municipal fiber to the curb to stoke competition and drive down prices" instead ?

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

Markets are extremely bad when it comes to proper allocation of essentials. Infrastructure in general should be nationalized at minimum, and heavily invested in.

[–] RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The local fiber provider skipped my street altogether because spectrum has a contract with the apartments, and they don't think it's worth running fiber to compete. I wish this was a joke. The providers are literally NOT competing at all. Residential homeowners are screwed because spectrum has a chokehold on the other half of the neighborhood.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's literally a fucking necessity so if course it's privately owned... It's so ridiculous how we treat necessities... Tell me what job you can apply to that doesn't require it to be done over the Internet?

I remember when I could walk in to a store and shake the managers hand, then things changed and I got looked at like I was crazy "just go online and apply, why are you here?"

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Full agreement, way ahead of you. Instead of having a robust, publicly funded infrastructure-based necessity (internet service), it gets chopped up and sold piece-by-piece with price-gouging and local monopolies like warlords.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

Yuuup. Looking at you optimum. I have one option. :/

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

My coop power company installed fiber, so my ISP is a coop. IMO I'd rather this that purely nationalized.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Co-ops are cool, but markets in general have far too many disadvantages for me to advocate for market-based Socialism over a non-market solution.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Short of a complete revolution, market Socialisim is probably the most viable path out of capitalism. It doesn't have to stay there, and shouldn't, but it'll be a whole lot less messy than a revolution.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Depends on the country, honestly. In America, I'm more inclined to believe Syndicalism would work, reform won't meaningfully happen from within.

In general, I'm anti-tendency and believe that the material conditions of each space need to be analyzed independently.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 53 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

the sad bit is, wireline internet providers could sell $30 per month high-speed internet and still make money at that lower rate and without subsidies.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Always have money for war and bloodshed

[–] markr@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

And whenever they have control, more tax cuts for the rich.

[–] Iseja@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Damn 30$ discount. How much do you pay in the states for broadband access. I pay about 40$ each month for a 500/500 connection.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

In a city a connection like that is probably going to be in the area of $60 to $100. I pay $80 all in for a similar fiber connection.

Outside of a city you just aren't going to get it.

There are a few places that have Community ISPs where it will be substantially less expensive, but those are the exceptions and many states have actually made it illegal to operate community ISPs.

[–] casmael@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

Jesus Christ that all sounds terrible

[–] Vyvanse@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Just got fiber in my area of the US, it’s $60 for 500/500, or $80 for 1000/1000

[–] 8bitguy@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That goes for about $70 here, in a competitive, urban market. $50 for 300.

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Wow. I'm in a competitive exurb market and I'm paying $60 for 1.5 Gbps. It's $25 for 300. $40 for 600.

[–] Iseja@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Damn, this is in a small town in the most northern parts of Sweden and the apartment building is locked down to only one supplier aswell.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

paying almost $90 now, here, for supposedly 300mbps (downstream) that barely ever gets past 60. there are people near me that pay about the same for 1mbps or less dsl (just outside of cable's territory, so dsl is all they have)

[–] fourfouroneone@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I pay $100 a month in a rural area for 12down/500kup by bridging two DSL connections, the only thing I can get in the woods. I can't watch Hulu and browse the Internet at the same time.

[–] bran_buckler@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

I’m in an urban area where my apartment building is wired for only one ISP. $92 a month, the speed test I just did was 400 down, 20 up.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

When I lived in Sacramento, CA I got 1gbps down, 15 Mbps up for like 100 bucks

An hour out into the rural areas and I pay 120 for 100 Mbps both ways ON FIBER

It's infuriating

[–] uid0gid0@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Just take it out of the oil and gas subsidies.

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Wasn't there a debate awhile ago that internet is a necessity rather than a luxury?

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[–] donescobar@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

It’s what Republican Jesus would do, fuck the poor. We could fund Israel’s war with all that wasteful spending!

[–] markr@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Both parties are the same!

[–] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi 9 points 11 months ago

Lot of Republican governors of states that signed a letter urging this subsidy to be renewed. Seriously, broadband subsidies for rural areas should be renewed.

[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

Lmao, their problem with it, is that the vast majority of people using the ACP already had Internet before signing up....Which just proves how much of a necessity Internet is.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Republican members of Congress blasted a program that gives $30 monthly broadband discounts to people with low incomes, accusing the Federal Communications Commission of being "wasteful."

The lawmakers suggested in a letter to FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel that they may try to block funding for the Affordable Connectivity Program (ACP), which is expected to run out of money in April 2024.

The letter questioned Rosenworcel's testimony at a recent House hearing in which she warned that 25 million households could lose Internet access if Congress doesn't renew the ACP discounts.

"At a hearing before the House Energy and Commerce Committee on November 30, 2023, you asserted—without evidence and contrary to the FCC's own data—that '25 million households' would be 'unplug[ged]…from the Internet' if Congress does not provide new funding for the ACP," the letter said.

As Congress considers the future of taxpayer broadband subsidies, we ask you to correct the hearing record and make public accurate information about the ACP."

Unfortunately, your testimony pushes "facts" about the ACP that are deeply misleading and have the potential to exacerbate the fiscal crisis without producing meaningful benefits to the American consumer.


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[–] chb@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We're is this technology related? It's completely political - something I don't want to see, but now also technology cannot be followed anymore, as most things here are political news with a tech keyword in the headline sadly :/

[–] hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But isn't broadband access one of the main requirements for using technology? I understand not wanting to interact with politics, but nothing in our life is truly separated from it.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Politics is everything

If your kid is the better player but the coach picks his kid to be on the team then that’s politics

If company puts a paid OS on their IBM machines because it’s made by the son of someone on their board instead of the superior free option then that’s politics

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

...broadband Internet has nothing to do with technology?

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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