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Cornel West recently announced he is running for president as a Green Party candidate, challenging President Biden in 2024. Some Democrats worry that West's candidacy could split the progressive vote and help reelect Donald Trump if he is the Republican nominee again, as Jill Stein's campaign did in 2016. However, West has supporters who see his run as a way to push Biden further left on issues. Still, even some progressives acknowledge West could hurt Biden's chances of reelection. Democrats argue that beating Trump and enacting progressive policies requires electing Democrats first.

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[–] o_0@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

I'm So Glad that Cornel West is Running because he's immediately exposing all the lies of the Liberals and how they don't care about democracy itself. If Democrats feel so threatened by West maybe they will adopt some of his promises, like for example, Ending the Blockade of Cuba, or pardoning political prisoners, things West Promises to do first days in office.

[–] AttackBunny@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

So, like 2016 DNC wants to keep the status quo, and won’t bend at all. At least this time the actual issue isn’t on the same ticket, and they can’t force the ticket. I honestly don’t think stein was their problem. Bernie was. And Clinton (she is wildly disliked by MANY) herself. But it was the DNC treatment of Bernie that cost them, not the third party ticket votes. At least imo.

Personally I’m excited to see people running, who share my views, more than any “mainstream” candidate ever has.

[–] sorchist@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] slartibartfast42@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

Instead of "just leaving this here", how about you actually clarify what you're implying? It sounds like you're accusing Jill Stein of being a Russian asset, and I think it's really irresponsible to make this kind of accusation in a vague way that gives you plausible deniability.

[–] Delicious_Tomatoes@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Democrats argue that beating Trump and enacting progressive policies requires electing Democrats first.

They're still arguing that? We've been waiting for the Dems to enact progressive policies for the past two years. It turns out that if you want progressive policies, you actually have to elect progressives.

[–] FlowVoid@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Progressives saw climate change legislation and student loan reform in the last two years. If that's not enough, then you'll need a Senate supermajority.

The latter was shot down by the SCOTUS, which serves as a reminder that progressive policies can easily be undone.

[–] SwampYankee@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“In 2016, the Green Party played an outsized role in tipping the election to Donald Trump,”

They'll blame anything other than the facts of Hillary being unlikable and Wasserman-Schulz being incompetent. Johnson took 3x as many votes from the Republicans as Stein took from the Democrats. In the end, Hillary was an electoral dud and Wasserman-Schulz' mishandling of the primaries led to faithless electors.

[–] rambaroo@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I'm so sick of hearing about the Green Party. Yes they suck, but we have data on who green voters are, and only about 30% of them said they would vote for a Democrat if there was no green candidate.

It's a convenient excuse for establishment Democrats to avoid taking responsibility for their losses, but doesn't hold up to any level of scrutiny. Their biggest issue is consistently failing to motivate their own base. Obama understood that Democratic voters respond well to positive campaign strategies while Clinton and Biden cling to 90s triangulation strategies. Which didn't even work back then they just got lucky that Ross Perot existed.

Green Party voters vote against the system. You can't blame losses on them because the vast majority would simply sit the election out instead of voting for a Dem.