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HP customers claim firmware update rendered third-party ink verboten | Then the company cranked up the price of cartridges, complaint alleges::Then the company cranked up the price of cartridges, complaint alleges

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's like, HP's whole business model lol

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Hey! Don't forget selling pieces of shit that are designed to last a few years tops.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately it's not only HP.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Buy Brother

Edit: its the only cure

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If I had my druthers, all my printers would be Brothers.


Hey Brother, hire me as an adman. I can write jingles!

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Give me a nickel, Brother, Can you spare a di-heim?!

[–] Wermhatswormhat@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Beat me to it. DO NOT BUY HP PRODUCTS ANYMORE! Brother is a fantastic alternative and if I’m not mistaken sometimes cheaper, and if not cheaper, it’s at least far better quality.

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Personally, I've been fine without having a printer at all for like the last decade. In the rare event that I need to print something, I'll just go to Staples or something to get it done there. I'd be surprised if I've spent more than $20 total on printing.

Though with my daughter getting older, it might be only a matter of time before it becomes more cost effective and convenient to have my own. Which will not be an HP even if they paid me to take one.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

HP would literally shoot your pet if it was profitable.

[–] grayman@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

ATF enters the chat slyly.

[–] Tathas@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago

Only to find that PETA has already stolen the dog and euthanized it, "To end its suffering."

[–] Copythis@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

I work on copiers for a living. Seriously, fuck HP.

I swear they're designed not to be worked on. Just speaking of the fuser on any Laserjet photocopier, they heat up and cool down constantly. Obviously stuff is going to break and it needs to be repaired.

HP says fuck you! On the little desktop printers, on some models, you have to take all plastic panels off, and they all connect to each other so good luck getting it put back together right. They're built exactly like a rubix cube. I literally clip off plastic tabs and just leave it. The customer never knows.

I've been through official HP training. They told me "we can't teach you on a specific model because we average a new model every month, so we'll just give you a ball park on what to look for"

I stopped calling HP support because they don't even know their own machines. Shout-out to Laser Pros, they're the best.

[–] ringwraithfish@startrek.website 23 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Why does anyone still buy HP?

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 20 points 11 months ago
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The big one seems to be non-techies who long ago heard they were good. A long, LONG time ago.

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

They are often bundled with computers in cheap packages 

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It takes 20-seconds to research their products before purchasing. Those few seconds would reveal that HP is now a shit product. Another 20-seconds would reveal Brother to be highly regarded.

"Capitalism fucked me over and I wish to sue HP's ass off!"

I have no idea what to tell people.

"Companies make worse and worse products and I keep buying them! Make it stop Mr. Government!"

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago

They sell the printers below cost.

[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We need a properly-open sourced printer at this point.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

I have a laser etcher. Through trial and error, I got it to produce black and white images on wood. So it's now a laser photo printer. Just change one axis to move the material instead of the head and you have an open laser printer.

[–] grayman@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

EFF should buy out Brother?

[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I was thinking more along the lines of Megasquirt, but for a printer.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You know, we do have a word in English that means "verboten" right?

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

It's the same root too, how cool is that!

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

I hope I’ll remember never to buy anything new from HP as that’s disgusting 🤮

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] StraySojourner@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

German lone word from old high German. It just means Forbidden.

[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Also just plain and simply "forbidden" in regular modern German.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

Normally, words hang out in larger groups called sentences or clauses. Words are social, so they like to stick together and form social bonds and hierarchies.

However, some words don’t have anyone to hang out with, and they’re called lone words.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Past participle of "bieten", "to bid", as in "to command". English correspondence to that is "bidden". The prefix is "ver-" which here denotes completative aspect as well as negativity, the English correspondence to that is "for-" (not strict, but at least in this case). Sticking both together you get "forbidden" which indeed is the right translation. "The action of commanding a negative has been completed", or, simply, "You've been told not to".

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[–] grayman@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Happened to me! Even with me taking efforts ahead of time to prevent the new firmware download, it somehow snuck through. I finally got so fed up with their BS because of this, I got rid of the hp and bought a Brother. Brother workin flawlessly, and I can rest easy knowing it will just print shit when I need it to and not try to extort cash from me to do so.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


HP is facing a potential class action complaint regarding a firmware update that rendered its printers unable to use ink from any other supplier.

The complaint [PDF] centers around a firmware update issued between late 2022 and early 2023 that is alleged to have disabled a customer's printer if a replacement cartridge that was not HP-branded was installed.

It adds: "In effect, HP used the software update to create a monopoly in the aftermarket for replacement cartridges, permitting it to raise prices without fear of being undercut by competitors."

The complaint claims "the costs of ink for the All-in-One is not trivial or fleeting," and draws a comparison between the $100 needed for a typical set of HP-branded replacement cartridges versus those of a competitor, which it says can be half the price.

HP's end user license agreement states that using a third-party cartridge won't invalidate a warranty.

Ir is seeking class certification, compensation from the printer giant, and an injunction to disable the part of the firmware updates that prevent the use of third-party ink.


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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Are there government consumer projection people working but no one has ever submitted a report so they just don't know?

[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Another reason to boycott HP

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Y'all gonna make me look up the German dictionary so I know what verboten means, gawd damn I don't need no education

(To be fair it's interesting that they'd throw a random German word into an English language headline meant for English language readers, especially as it's the key explanatory word in the headline, and yet it's one we wouldn't commonly know. Unlike commonly used non-English words like Information, or Cul-de-sac, Zeitgeist, Kaput, or Baguette, we - to my knowledge - haven't used the word verboten before over here).

So yeah, I had to Google translate it xD But now I know! Woo!

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

My favourite printer brand.

[–] vojel@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

Not related: but is „verboten“ (forbidden) really used in English? Just wondering because it is German.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

HP is a cancerous company that should be killed with fire.

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