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So a while ago i got my hands on a old sewing machine sadly the foot pedal blew up on me and i also noticed that the machine made my fingers tingle (more on that in this old post here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/35395330 ).

After that i didnt touch the thing for a while but now i needed to sew something so i got myself a new motor and pedal for it online.

The motor fits neat to the machine and the pedal works. But after the last time i was a bit afraid to just touch it, decided to better do a voltage check first.

So i grabbed a Multi meter and connected one side to main earth, and the other side to the metal body of the machine.

And apparently there are 30-32V AC on the metal body of the machine :( Then i tested the current and it was 4.1uA.

I did the same thing for the motor spindle an and the results where even worse >.< 173V AC on the spindle and 43uA when i short it to main earth over the multi meter.

Now my question is:

Is this normal?

Is it maybe just some parasitic currents from the Motor windings acting as antenna and inducting voltage into the metal body of the machine?

Will it kill me if i touch it?

Should i ground the machine to earth using a second plug?

Should i isolate the motor from the metal machine body?

Here are some more pictures from my measurements and measurement setup:

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[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 20 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Definitely change the plug into one that has earth as well, and make sure the motor body is grounded to the frame, and that the frame is grounded to the earth connector in the new plug

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I cant change the plug, because it goes strait into the pedal. The pedal nor the motor has a grounding connection sadly.

I now grounded the machine using a second plug and it works...kinda anoying because i now need 2 plugs to use the machine, but better than nothing.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 2 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

Germany? Im guessing you aren’t allowed to change the plug end?

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 2 points 32 minutes ago

I could change it, i dont think there is any law against it as long as i am the only person using the machine, my problem is more practical. Even if i change the plug i would have to bypass the foot pedal, hence ending up with 2 wires in parallel basically the same as with the 2 plug solution.

[–] Pirasp@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The limits we look for in these cases (in germany) are:

  1. less than 50V AC and
  2. less than 0.5mA

(This is for touchable metal parts, that are not connected to earth)

So yeah, I'd try to avoid touching the motor spindle, but with that low of a current it shouldn't actually be a problem as any current flow at all will make the voltage drop significantly.

You can try grounding as many of the metal parts as possible, but the motor shaft will likely be difficult

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Couldn't you ground it through a wire brush touching the shaft?

[–] Pirasp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Yes, a carbon brush is the usual solution, but it is much more involved than just clipping an alligator clip to some metal parts. It will also eventually wear out and might get caught in something while in use

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I now used a second plug that has a grounding pin and connected the ground to the Machine body and now there isnt any voltage on it anymore. The RCD also didnt trip so i guess everything is fine and it was just parasitic induction.

[–] Pirasp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

If this was my machine I'd probably just use alligator clips and a jumper wire in the future. Whole house RCDs typically trip at about 30mA, so you are still well clear of that happening

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

Your last image shows that your sewing machine plug has no earth ground. I’m not well versed in sewing machines enough to know if this is typical for sewing machines, but typically any appliance with no earth ground will insulate the user from either conductor.

You cannot count on the neutral wire to safely ground anything that the user touches.

Your readings indicate that there’s a small amount of voltage coupling onto the housing. Voltage alone doesn’t indicate much if there’s no current behind it, so it could be safe, but as another user indicated, you probably want external metal bits to be earth grounded. That’s the whole point of earth ground.

[–] sorter_plainview@lemmy.today 4 points 1 hour ago

30V won't kill you. Even with 170V it might not cause much harm, since the current is in micro Amperes. I hope you have a good MCB, and even even good curcuit breakers. If they are present and they don't get tripped while operating or testing, it should not be lethal.

That said, you don't know the reason for this leak. Better to take it a repair shop. If you like doing it yourself open up and see if there is any visible tear on power line insulation. If nothing is visible if can be some issue with winding of motor, some other component.

You can use it with gloves, a good foot wear, and a good set of circuit breakers, if it has to be used, but I won't recommend taking such risks. Since it is an old machine I would say you get it repaired if possible.

[–] Fifrok@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I would say you're right about it being just parasitic/capacitive current. And 4.1 uA and 43uA is thousands of times smaller than what would be dangerous, so that's a no for the kill you part. If you're very woried about the reading, you could add a 10k-100k Ohm resistor between the machine body and the ground while measuring, if voltage drops to near zero it's fine.

If you decide to add a ground, please don't do it with a second plug. Replace the cord with a 3-core one, attach PE to both the machine body and motor.

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 1 points 42 minutes ago

What would speak against the second plug solution (besides it beeing anoying)?

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I would be pretty wary of using it with that amount of voltage. If the electricity routes through you, it would probably give you more than a good buzz.

Based on the fact that it made your fingers tingle before you replaced the motor, I doubt the new motor or your installation of it is the cause of this issue. You probably have some kind of short inside the machine itself. Best bet is to crack open the machine (when unplugged, obvs). This could be the most dangerous part - make sure you can identify capacitors on the circuit board and find a youtube video about safely discharging them, as capacitors can store dangerous amounts of electrical charge even when the circuit is unplugged, and discharging them accidentally can fuck you up. Then look for obvious loose connections. If you don't see that, you will have to start searching for the short. Set your DMM to measure resistance. Search the motor component with one lead and the rest of the machine's circuit with the other. As long as resistance is a real number, you have a closed circuit and the short is on the circuit the leads are on. When resistance jumps to infinity, you are no longer in a connected circuit, and the short is somewhere else. Often, shorts will read as significant amounts of resistance, as the marginal connection between two components is not enough to allow free-flowing current. Note that this creates a new danger - even if you don't electrocute yourself with the machine during use, it is possible it will catch on fire as electricity running through a marginal short heats up the components. If you are lucky, you can identify the short by noting the leads have non-zero resistance in one spot, but 0 reistance upstream and downstream of that spot. Then you might look real close and see a loose wire or a burn mark. But maybe this is just an expected bit of resistance that was designed into the circuit. It's a bit of an art, takes some patience, and if the solution isn't immediately obvious, there is about a 70% chance you are wasting your time.

Ideally, as the other user said, you would also install a ground during your troubleshooting so you don't electrocute yourself in the future if it happens again.

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 1 points 44 minutes ago

identify capacitors on the circuit board

No such thing in there, this is a very old machine there is no electronics inside the machine. The only electronics is the motor itself (bolted to the outside), and the foot pedal that controls the motor (wires go from mains to pedal to motor, there are no wires going inside the machine).

[–] Cad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Thats a weird sympton. There usually isn't alot of electrical wiring in that kind of machine. Have you checked the wiring and socket for the light bulb? Maybe something with the power switch?

Seems unlikely that the new motor is bad in the same way as the old.

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 1 points 40 minutes ago

Yes i found the wire going to the light bulb, it isnt connected to anything rn, because the new motor dosent have a plug for it, and i dont need the lamp to work.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Did you use the old mounting hardware to mount the new motor? Maybe a too-long screw?

That's my only guess, I'm not very good at this stuff.

No i used the new screw that came with it, but its actually shorter than the old one, i dont think its touching anything on the inside, the screw hole is just a blind hole in the metal body.

[–] nusse@chaos.social 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

@einfach_orangensaft Measure current. Might be capacitive through capacitor in motor. And check your GCD.

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I did measure the current

And apparently there are 30-32V AC on the metal body of the machine :( Then i tested the current and it was 4.1uA.

GCD?