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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 6 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. The psychic and material costs are rationally worth the benefits. -Roderic Day

All the libs in the comments really living up to the quote.

[–] Salomon@mander.xyz 5 points 31 minutes ago (1 children)

I just finished reading this article today a few hours ago! it felt like such an eerily perfect dissection of liberals it is incredible impressive, it doesn't reduce their annoyance but it does provide an easier way to deal with it catgirl-salute

[–] Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 minutes ago
[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 0 points 5 minutes ago (1 children)

yeah and it s illegal to talk about iut in china cause the gouvernement did nothing wrong and it's all just western propaganda. Omg you guys are crazy and delusional

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 3 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

And both pictures show off firsthand a brutal government dictatorship (in everything but name) that is actively going against the will of its people and stamping down boots on the throats of civilians who dare question or hesitate in the face of their rule.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago) (4 children)

The protestors in Tian'anmen were a mix of Gang of Four hardliners upset at Reform and Opening Up, and student protestors backed by the CIA that wanted to liberalize the economy. They didn't have a consistent goal. Decades later, over 90% of the public in China support their government:

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[–] Dialectical_Idealist@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Americans think they know about Tienanmen Square 1989 while themselves living in a police state / surveillance state.

No one talks about the Philadelphia police bombing (yes, a literal bombing) of a Black residential neighborhood in 1985.

No one talks about the police brutality against peaceful anti-Vietnam war groups in the 1960s/70s. Veterans who were drafted to fight an immoral war of aggression overseas were then beaten by the police for protesting that war. In 1970, the Ohio national guard opened fire on college students protesting at Kent State.

Eric Garner, Tamir Rice (12 years old), Daniel Shaver, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, Renee Good, Alex Pretti and far, far too many people have been murdered on camera. Millions around the world protested the routine extrajudicial killings of unarmed Americans. But police killings increased every year during the Biden administration and Trump continues to throw people in the back of unmarked vans.

Americans judge the PRC (and every socialist country) by their own retelling of its worst blunder in history; Americans judge the US by it's latest controversy while forgetting everything else.

[–] hdnclr@beehaw.org -1 points 13 minutes ago (2 children)

I've never understood why some leftists wanna suck the dick of a superpower authoritarian state. That's not leftism, you're just a class traitor who defends the ruling class of a place you don't even live in. Get some perspective, ffs...

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 minutes ago

authoritarian state

Authoritarian is a meaningless pejorative used by the unintelligent and uneducated to avoid class analysis. Every state exercises coercion. The question is which class benefits. China’s legal system has demonstrably reduced corruption and constrained capital’s excesses in ways other (Western) systems have not. If your ideal "leftism" cannot account for who holds power and how law serves that power, then your ideal is simply fantasy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 minutes ago

No need to bring in misogyny/homophobia. The reason socialists support socialist countries is pretty self-evident, we defend the ruling class in China because the ruling class in China is the working class.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 19 minutes ago (2 children)

“When examining the events of April through June 1989 in Beijing, there is a vast body of evidence including journalistic records, diplomatic cables, eyewitness accounts, and photographic documentation that directly addresses these claims.

The Death Toll and Use of Force

The claim that "no one died" or that only a few hundred died is contradicted by multiple sources. While the Chinese government’s official figure in 1989 was 241 deaths, other estimates are significantly higher:

  • The Chinese Red Cross initially estimated 2,600 deaths (later retracted under government pressure).

  • The British Ambassador at the time, Alan Donald, cited a source within the Chinese government estimating as many as 10,000 deaths.

  • Foreign Journalists on the ground (from the AP, Reuters, and BBC) documented sustained gunfire and the use of armored personnel carriers against civilians on the roads leading to the square, such as Changan Avenue.

"Tank Man" and the Photos

The iconic "Tank Man" photo was captured by several photographers (including Jeff Widener and Charlie Cole) from the Beijing Hotel.

  • The Photo is Authentic: It was shot on film and smuggled out of the country. There is also video footage of the encounter.

  • The Outcome: The footage shows the man was not run over; the lead tank attempted to maneuver around him before he was pulled away by bystanders. His identity and ultimate fate remain unknown.

  • The Direction of the Tanks: The tanks in the photo were actually moving away from Tiananmen Square, having already cleared it, though this does not negate the violence that occurred during the clearing process the night before.

Education and Information in China

The assertion that the incident is "freely taught" in China is demonstrably false.

  • Censorship: The "Great Firewall" actively blocks search terms related to "June 4" or "Tiananmen."

  • Curriculum: The event is absent from textbooks, and public commemoration is strictly prohibited. Every year around the anniversary, security in the square is tightened and social media keywords are heavily scrubbed.

Comparative Incidents

While the United States has a history of state violence against protesters (such as the Kent State shootings in 1970, where 4 students were killed), the scale and the subsequent state response differ fundamentally:

  1. Scale: The casualties in Beijing involved thousands of troops and heavy armor, resulting in hundreds to thousands of deaths.

  2. Transparency: Incidents like Kent State are openly taught in American schools, are the subject of public records, and were heavily criticized in contemporary media without state-mandated deletion of the historical record.

Summary of Logic

The claim that "200 died and deserved it" while simultaneously claiming "no one died" is a logical contradiction. Furthermore, the claim that the event is "freely taught" is refuted by the very existence of the intensive digital and physical "Blackout" that occurs in China every June. The evidence confirms that a violent military crackdown occurred, resulting in significant loss of life.”

pretty much comports to what i know. the detractors of this can’t even get their stories straight.

can’t even mention it without the servers dropping players like flies.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 minutes ago

LLM slop.

Of the few hundred people that died in the riots and fighting, the square was dispersed peacefully. The truth about Tian'anmen is that hundreds of protestors and PLA officers were killed in Beijing that day as the PLA advanced towards the square, but that the square itself was evacuated peacefully, which matches leaked US cables and the CPC's official stance on what it calls the "June 4th incident". This is a rejection of the commonly reported story of 10,000 people being killed on the square itself, which originated from a British diplomat's cable. Said diplomat was later confirmed to have evacuated well before.

Western nations intentionally sensationalize the quantity of deaths and the character of the events. This is also why Western Nations don't frequently report on the South Korean Gwang-Ju massacre that occured around the same era, where the South Korean millitary murdered thousands of High School and College students protesting against Chun Do-Hwan's dictatorship. All of what I said is backed up by the Wikipedia page for Tian'anmen Square Protests and Massacre, such as Alan Donald revising his estimate from 10,000 to the low thousands yet BBC continuing to report the 10,000 figure:

In a disputed cable sent in the aftermath of the events at Tiananmen, British Ambassador Alan Donald initially claimed, based on information from a "good friend" in the State Council of China, that a minimum of 10,000 civilians died,[237] claims which were repeated in a speech by Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke,[238] but which is an estimated number much higher than other sources provided.[239][240] After the declassification, former student protest leader Feng Congde pointed out that Donald later revised his estimate to 2,700–3,400 deaths.

The truth is that hundreds of rioters and the PLA died that day, but the square was evacuated peacefully. You believe right-wing propagandist slander.

[–] Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

It may be helpful to provide a source, because this formatting sort of screams LLM

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