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First all the bs with Twitter and Elon, then Reddit having an exodus to Lemmy (not complaining lol), then Twitch. Are we like, in an alternate self healing dimension or something?

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[–] grizzzlay@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Course-correcting, maybe? Web 2.0 really overstayed its welcome with Facebook/Twitter/Reddit being such dominant websites over the past 15+ years. Various reasons of greed, narcissism, and other factors finally popped the bubble.

I'm really enjoying the Feder-verse or whatever we're calling it since decentralization can prevent a lot of this nonsense from ever occuring. It feels like a new approach to the late 90's era of message boards and such.

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[–] lvxferre@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

They saw Lemmy becoming successful, corporate mistook Lemmy with Lemmings, and decided to go out Lemmings style.

...jokes aside, Cory Doctorow has a great text about that, called "Tiktok's enshittification". It's a four-steps process:

  1. The platform is good for its users.
  2. The platform abuses the users, to be good for its business customers.
  3. The platform abuses the business customers, to claw back all value for itself.
  4. The platform dies.

In my opinion it's also the result of management being disconnected from the platform that it manages, and not knowing fully the implications of their own decisions.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

COVID.

COVID changed everything. In an attempt to recover quickly, companies ramped up their abuses to new levels. While billionaires defending them all had their masks removed as the world collectively realized that it's impossible to make a billion without exploring others.

Toss in back to the office mandates and rising costs while those same companies post record profits...all while the population is Uber sensitive to that kind of thing, and we're in the middle of a not so quiet proletariat revolution.

Thanks to COVID a lot of people realized that despite the elites best efforts, the enemy isn't left or right, it's us versus the super rich. And it's having a trickle down effect.

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[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

All these websites have almost always been net cash flow negative. They bleed venture capital to provide a service below cost in order to build a user base.

The problem now is interest rates have spiked. Rates have been basically zilch for much of the internet's history over the past 20+ years, so sites could actually operate for quite some time on super cheap debt that they almost never had to repay. And venture capital firms would just keep pouring money into the "next best thing".

Now that debt is rapidly becoming much more expensive to maintain, and those VC investors want their chunk of the pie back in their pockets. And they are going to extract it from every single one of these centralized services by whatever force is necessary. It's only just getting started, you watch.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The MacLeod life-cycle of corporations mirrors late stage capitalism pretty well:

[–] rnd@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Some people have come up with the word "enshittification" to describe the basic cycle of modern web services.

The cycle consists of three parts:

  1. You make the service that attracts new users by providing what they want. Often you do that at a loss, because your goal is to gain a big enough userbase for steps 2 and 3.
  2. Once there's enough users, you shift to attracting commercial interests instead -- vendors if you're running a store, advertisers or celebrities or other "big clients" if you're a social network, etc.
  3. Once both users and commercial interests are hooked, you can start tightening all the rules and switching completely to profiting yourself and your shareholders.
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[–] goat@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think it has to do with the Epstein and Maxwell case process. Maxwell had her fingers in many social media websites, especially reddit. I mean for Reddit she was the first user to hit 1m karma, and also one of the first powermods, controlling most of the powerful subreddits. Wouldn't surprise me if all the big rats are jumping ship before shit hits the fan.

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[–] Fearofthefamiliar@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I don't think all that many redditors are moving to Lemmy. Judging by the stats on join-lemmy, there are only several thousand monthly Lemmy users, which is nothing compared to reddit which had tens of millions daily users

[–] JshKlsn@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

When I joined lemmy.ml and beehaw.org, the stats on join-lemmy.org were just over 100/month.

Now it's at 1K/month for beehaw and 1.6K/month for lemmy.ml

There's also a HUGE list now, where as when I joined last week there were maybe 8?

Small numbers, ya, but Reddit still hasn't done anything. I am sure July 1st will bring a huge wave of people who are still sticking with Reddit since apps still work.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like reddit power users are the only ones who might switch, normal people simply won't care. However, power users are already well aware of the coming changes, and have likely already looked for alternates by this point.

Ive seen so many reddit posts on where people are like "what's wrong with the official reddit app, it's all I've ever used"... Lemmy is much better than the official reddit experience - the issue is most niche communities that exist on Reddit have ~1-5 subscribers here, makes it kind of a hard sell.

Personally i'd way rather be in a small community filled with frequent commenters and posters than a big one where all you see is reposts and ads, however.

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[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Counting methods are probably different, Lemmy stats only count users that posted at least once in the interval. I assume Reddit counts anyone who opens the site.

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