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From their site: ‘Also known as ‘Cherokee Black,’ this variety excels as both a snap and a dry bean; when mature, the 6” purple-tinged green pods encase shiny, jet-black seeds. This bean was shared with Seed Savers Exchange by the late Dr. John Wyche of Hugo, Oklahoma. His Cherokee ancestors carried the variety over the Trail of Tears, the infamous winter death march from the Smoky Mountains to Oklahoma (1838-39) that left a trail of 4,000 graves.’

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[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

His Cherokee ancestors carried the variety over the Trail of Tears, the infamous winter death march from the Smoky Mountains to Oklahoma (1838-39) that left a trail of 4,000 graves.’

Okay, I now understand the context behind the name, and I understand, but like. Printing that on a seed saver packet really really really does not carry the necessary context for this to serve as the main name for this cultivar

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's this kind of naming that makes people ask the question and keep the history lesson learned. It is a shame we need to bear so no one else is forced through the same experience.

I find myself needing to defer here to people to whom this is a personal issue because of their ancestral trauma... I don't think I'm versed enough to know if the name does more good for keeping it in people's minds and causing people to look it up or harm for bearing the name of a genocidal event that does not provide context without the person reading it specifically seeking it out themselves.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who in the cinnamon toast fuck printed this without questioning it

[–] perishthethought@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Seed Savers Exchange is a very small company, not a mega-corp. They're doing their best.

But also, I must be missing something. What made OP do a double-take?

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Trail of tears. (Folksy name for the forced march to their death/ genocide of the so called 5 civilized tribes of native Americans)

Although having actually read this now apparently the seeds were saved and kept by survivors so maybe it's not an insane name.

But it's the equivalent of naming a variety of beets "Auschwitz yum yums"

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

According to my seed packet they carried them along the Trail of Tears, eating some but saving some and planted them as soon as they arrived, (they were obviously still starving but at least I guess they could hunt when they weren't being forced to keep moving) and the beans helped sustain their heritage as well as their lives.

I hear you. But I think in this case, naming these seeds this way might cause some people to go read about the tragedy, keep it in peoples minds.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

SSE is a decent company. If they printed it, they knew what they were doing. And it made people look up the meaning.

I think they made a fair choice.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I have grown Trail of Tears beans (not from this company) but the pods are definitely purple

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 5 points 2 days ago

I've had Cherokee Black; I didn't know they had a different name!

[–] TIN@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

I've had this in the UK, under the same name