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Vinton Cerf: ‘I refuse to take responsibility for those who abuse my beautiful internet’ (english.elpais.com)
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[–] terabyterex@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

the person who wrote the article is... not a great thinker but you get some good answers from Cerf, so worth a read.

The first mistake the author makes is thst Tim Berners-Lee is not one of the fathers of the internet but of the world wide web. it runs on the application layet of the internet and came decades later.

The second mistake is corrected by Cerf. the difference between a discovery and an invention.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago

The number of times that I have been downvoted into oblivion for pointing out that the Internet is not the World Wide Web is too damn high.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The TCP landscape is now a hot mess of a multitude of assistance protocols. Maybe we'll better start from scratch, with modern usecases in in mind and while learning from past mistakes.

[–] stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago

This is practically impossible. We have proverbially locked the keys in the room. IP/UDP/TCP are here to stay due to the prevalence of buggy/nonstandard middleboxes (hardware firewalls, ASIC switches, NAT routers) in the Internet.

We have new protocols, new theories for networking (look at NDN, in which is physically incapable of being censored or ddosed). However, anything that doesn't conform to existing IP/TCP/UDP will get dropped by these so-called "middleboxes". Even things that DO conform to IP/TCP/UDP will sometimes get dropped by these middleboxes (e.g. new TCP extensions, QUIC, etc). We cannot build an Internet replacement without almost fully scrapping every piece of networking equipment deployed since the 90s.

Middleboxes were supposed to be a temporary solution until we could transition to a new protocol like IPv6. Companies went for the cheap solution and violated the end-to-end principle of networking instead. Now we're paying the price and stuck with it.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

XKCD #927

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, yeah, but most protocols (like DNS, CORS) are a patch on changed usecases or missed consideration.

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I'm sure we can vibe something in a few minutes, I'll solve so many problems when we are forced to use smoke signals for the latest memes.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Love it when they ask computer scientists about curing disease. Love it even more when they are silly enough to drum up some sort of answer.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

This interviewer is terrible, but it's not silly to ask. On top of the use of computers for projects like folding@home, there are cases like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood_incident