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Official announcements from the Lemmy project. Subscribe to this community or add it to your RSS reader in order to be notified about new releases and important updates.

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This is an opportunity for any users, server admins, or interested third parties to ask anything they'd like to @nutomic@lemmy.ml and I about Lemmy. This includes its development and future, as well as wider issues relevant to the social media landscape today.

Note: This will be the thread tmrw, so you can use this thread to ask and vote on questions beforehand.

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[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you see Lemmy working with duplicate communities on different instances? For example if Lemmy.World and Lemmy.ml have a PersonalFinance community, are people expected to cross-post? Or have you conceived of a system to allow people to find the right community efficiently?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Its a problem, and at the same time a feature. For example, you can have two communities named !news, that pertain to completely different topics based on their instance:

This also isn't unique to lemmy, since reddit too had tons of duplicate communities for the same topics.

Just like on reddit, the network effect will run its course here: unavoidably there will be a lot of cross-posting on duplicated communities, until people center around their favorites, based on quality of content.

There are a few tools out there too, like https://lemmyverse.net/communities , that can help people find communities to subscribe to.

Overall tho, I'm against the concept of "combining / merging communities" that are run on different sites by different people. These should be curated and controlled by the people who created them.

I agree that community structure should not change to handle duplicates. If anything, having a feature similar to hashtags or topics that can aggregate a stream of posts from multiple communities would be nice.

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[–] Lionir@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm gonna be asking hard questions, I think, sorry about that. I hope you consider it tough love considering our past interactions.

As an instance admin, I have some questions:

  • How are you doing? I know there was a lot of pressure when things blew up and it seems to be calming down a bit now.

  • How is Lemmy doing financially?

  • Considering past releases and their associated breaking bugs (including 0.18.3), what measures are you taking to help prevent that?

  • Can we consider the possibility of downgrades being supported?

  • Why are bugs affecting moderation not release blockers? Does anything block releases?

  • Are there plans to give instance administrators a voice in shaping the future of Lemmy's development?

As someone who is trying to help with Lemmy's development, I have some other questions:

  • What do you think are the biggest problems with Lemmy as a software project and what are your priorities for Lemmy?
  • Considering fairly low amounts of developers contributing to Lemmy, how are you working to help new people get into the project?
  • Do you worry about the message it sends to potential contributors when the main developers are working on a different project which competes with the former? (Example: Lemmy-ui vs Lemmy-ui-Leptos)
  • Considering most work is done voluntarily, how are you trying to organize and prioritize work?
  • Do you believe you are stretching yourself too thin between Lemmy, Lemmy-ui, Lemmy-ui-leptos, Jerboa and Lemmy.ml? If so, what are you doing to help you focus?
[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow lots of questions here.

  • Im doing well, its exciting to know that so many people like the software Ive worked on for the last years. The first month after the migration was really stressful, but by now its calmed down a lot. Plus there are many contributors now which are helping a lot.
  • Unfortunately the user donations are just barely enough to pay our salaries, by my calculations the income from Liberapay, Patreon and Open Collective is around 4000 USD per month. Luckily we still have some NLnet funding left, and should be able to work on those milestones now that things have calmed down. I hope the user donations will increase so that they can pay us proper salaries. Maybe even hire additional people, but that seems very optimistic now. It would also be good if we could find other funding sources besides NLnet, as its not clear if they will fund us another year.
  • I think the "breaking bugs" were really minor considering how we had to constantly rush out performance and security fixes. This should get better as we dont need to make emergency fixes, and have more time to let the community test release candidates before making the full release.
  • Supporting downgrades means that someone has to test them and report/fix problems. We dont have time for that, but feel free to do it.
  • Like I said, our recent releases had urgent performance/security fixes so we didnt have enough time for testing. We also didnt find out about these problems until later. Part of the problem is that keeping up with issues is almost a full-time job on its own, so I rarely read them anymore. If you see something important reported, do let me know.
  • No concrete plans, but I definitely think that admins are the main actors who should have a voice in development. Its impossible for us to listen to all the individual users, because there are too many and they often dont have the necessary technical knowledge. If you have some ideas how to facilitate communication between devs and admins, let me know.

Are we almost done? Nope, only halfway. Will answer the second half a bit later.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Alright second part:

  • The biggest problem is definitely that there are too many things to do, but only the two of us working on it fulltime. The day only has so many hours and its impossible to keep up with everything. Thats why community contributions are really important.
  • The amount of contributors is very high compared to a few months ago, its not easy to keep up with all the pull requests. Its going to take some time for processes to adjust to the new scale, and for new contributors to learn how everything works.
  • This is a question for @dessalines@lemmy.ml
  • People work on whatever they are passionate about. Generally that works quite well.
  • I am only working on Lemmy and thats already a lot. So another question for @dessalines@lemmy.ml
[–] Menu@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Right now, instances with transphobic and racist content like exploding-heads are still listed on join-lemmy.org. Are you planning to implement a Server Convenant like on joinmastodon.org? To be listed on joinmastodon.org, an instance needs “Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia”.

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[–] LolaCat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Any plans for improving SEO? One of Reddit’s biggest strengths was being able to get very relevant results with a simple internet search. In time can you see something similar for Lemmy, even with its decentralized nature? I really you for doing this, thank you for your time!

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy-ui supports SEO, and also has opengraph tags. If there's anything else needs to be added, we're open to PRs.

Side note: For me personally, as @FrostySpectacles@lemmy.ml suggested, SEO shouldn't be a focus. SEO is such a gamed system, catering to a few giant search companies, and results are increasingly becoming unusable, especially in the past few years. I can barely find the things I want to search for, and almost always have better luck using internal sites search engines. So I'd rather focus on improving lemmy's search capabalities and filtering, than catering to google.

[–] yay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Would you please consider having only local post/community/users indexed by search engines? A lemmy.ml user complained that their username is first result on Google with lemmynsfw.com domain name. Also implementing this would decrease chance of duplicate content.

It can resolved with a simple noindex meta tag.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd be open to a PR for that, sure.

[–] yay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hate Inferno (specifically class components) but I'll check what I can do 🙏

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I do too now (I created lemmy-ui when react was king), which is why the new UI will be written in leptos, using signal-based reactivity, and functional components.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Comrade Dessalines, you rock. Your audiobooks and essays are great. No questions.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

o7 comrade. I'm glad I can help out in any way.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chances that hexbear emojis become the Lemmy standard across all instances ?

Thank you for your service.

sankara-salute

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Each instance should be in control of their own emojis IMO, for example a star trek instance would have only star-trek related emojis.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hi! This isn't really a question, but I was a former admin on Lemmy.ml and I just want to say that I really appreciated the opportunity to be on your team and it was a really valuable experience for me! I'm no longer an admin due to inactivity and personal life events causing me to no longer have the time to serve such a role, but I enjoyed the time I was and I really hope I was able to make a positive contribution to the instance!

Thank you for your continued work developing this project and running your instance comrades! This is still by far my favourite fediverse platform, actually, favourite social media in general. I intend to continue using both Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad and I hope I can continue to contribute by using Lemmy when I have the chance!

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ask Us Anything

What is the meaning of life

inb4 "42"

Also if you are the creator of lemmy can you nuke all the liberal infested websites? Or does it not work like that

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you think of the neoliberal hell that lemmy.ml is right now?

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I dont follow /c/worldnews so I dont see much of that. Also hexbear is federating now, so it might easily swing back the other way again.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As some instances grow, server costs are becoming significant. Right now, servers are only funded through donations. Do you see the development of anything else to help fund server costs?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

If lemmy is working as intended (many small, connected servers), hosting costs should be small: like < $10 USD / month. (images are another issue, but I'll answer that in other comments).

Of course we don't plan on adding any monetization directly into lemmy or its UI, including ads, or required payments. Right now at least the best way is to put donation links in your site sidebar.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is selfhosted Docker such a mess?

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is a mess about it? Its certainly much easier than installing without Docker.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Last time I checked, it wanted me to modify multiple upstream files before composing the container and manually create directories instead of using Docker volumes – for multiple images.

Also the compose file contains a database and a reverse proxy for no reason.

Where’s the simple Docker container that does not want me to do that? Just deploy, set some environment variables, use one volume for persistent data and the sqlite database and that’s it?

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[–] solarbabies@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you combat bot accounts and illegal content? Is it moderation or algorithms or both?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

People reporting those instances / users, then admins can add them to the blocklist, or ban them and remove their content.

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