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Can anyone tell this meme is true or false? I don't have Gspy so I cannot test this

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[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

never in my life have i ever said "hey" anything to my phone and i intend to keep it that way

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

Well that doesn't mean it isn't listening. Waiting for the day.

[–] baconsunday@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 days ago (7 children)

i love all the hate google gets

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 132 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Don't know about Google home, but google meet is definitely like this. You mute your mic from the UI, you speak, and a small popup tells you something like, "are you trying to speak, your mic is off".

Something like this also happened on Short Circuit (a channel of Linus Tech Tips) when testing Meta Glasses. Riley, the host was talking to it, and after the convo ended, he asked, "are you still listening?" And meta replied, "No".

So, yes, it is safe to assume that the microphones are always listening and probably recording. These things are spywares and do not belong in private places like homes.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 111 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Muting microphone in a meeting is very different, the point is you don't want other attendees to hear you, not the meeting software.
Otherwise agreed, the only way this can be 100% trusted is using a hw switch, which we won't find on any phones and only a handful of laptops.

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

Didn't Fairphone or some other Linux phone maker include switches in some relatively recent model?

EDIT: According to (embarrassed for having to mention source) Google's AI summary, yes:

  • Murena 2: Features a dedicated physical privacy switch that physically cuts the circuit for the microphone and camera.

  • Purism Librem 5: Offers physical toggle switches on the side of the phone to mechanically sever power to the microphone, camera, and baseband.

  • Pine64 PinePhone: Includes built-in hardware DIP switches under the back cover that allow you to completely disconnect the mic, cameras, and modems.

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[–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Guys, ten or hundred of thousands security researchers have been going at this for years. Google isn't secretly listening to you.

These things work with 2 mics, and 2 different circuits. The recording mic is one, while the detection mic is another. The second mic is only capable of pattern matching.

So yeah it's on but only capable of hashing a 5 second recording and matching it to your voice (this shit works a lot like rsa keys if that's helpful) to serve as a wake word. Maybe flag a simple response.

All that's happening is the device heard a loud sound and knows it wasn't a match or what's expected.

[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t believe that those fuckers are being honest and open with our data.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

That's the neat thing, you don't have to believe: the researchers proved that it works like that.

Of course that only applies to the models they tested, and not future ones, but still.

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[–] Tidesphere@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Every time someone comes out and says that the phones aren't secretly listening to us, I gotta tell this story.

I was at one time practicing therapy in a University. We did charity work, and I was providing therapy to a homeless man. This homeless man did not have a phone, or any electronic devices of any kind. We kept in contact via email, and he would use library computers in order to connect with us.

While providing therapy for him, the only electronic devices in the room are a batter operated digital clock, a battery operated voice recording device, and my own cell phone, locked and inactive. Nothing but my cell phone is connected to wifi or internet of any kind.

During session one day, he started talking about wanting to move to another country. We hold our usual session, with plenty of talk about moving to that country specifically. Once the session is over, we say goodbye and he goes on his way. I go back to my desk, and within an hour or so, scrolling on my phone, I'm getting advertisements for flights and vacations to that exact country. I had never gotten advertisements to that country before, or even for much travel in general.

So how do we explain it? The most common answer is "Oh, well he used his phone to look up flights and stuff, and google detected that your phones were near each other, and must have assumed that you would talk about it."

Except the other man did not have a phone, nor did he have any way for Google to tell that he was near me after having looked it up at a local library. There was no way for Google to be able to tell that he was coming to our office at all unless it was reading his emails, and even then, it couldn't know that he was talking to me specifically, such that I would get the targeted ads and none of my colleagues would.

Nobody can give me an explanation for what happened other than my phone was actively listening to the conversation. I'm definitely open to alternatives, I promise. Nobody has been able to explain it.

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[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

It's far too easy to change the software that drives that. For example, in order to minimize blatant power drain the trigger mic could easily become a switch that activates the main mic only when human voices are detected (or even specific voices). With authoritarian governments on the rise — along with the more than willing corporations backing them — I don't think a bit of paranoia regarding the possibility is unwarranted.

ETA: Also there's nothing saying the hardware can't be updated for newer capabilities without anyone on the outside knowing. It'd be pretty easy to get away with once everyone gets lulled into a false sense of security regarding how they work.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

If I was running a fascist government, I wouldn't enable my spyware on every phone--that would make it too easy to detect and it would mean the people I'm spying on would take measures to protect themselves.

Instead, I would leave a backdoor open so that I could activate the specific phone of a specific person, a phone unlikely to be monitored in a lab by a security geek.

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The meme makes it sound like they turn off the server transmit feature. Though I also could believe this meme being false as well. "Ok Google" detection runs locally on the device as training a model to detect that and only that accurately without a server is easy to do and costs a lot less than having every device continuously transmitting the microphone. So it's possible mute just disables transmission to the Internet rather than the mic.

[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 days ago (40 children)

f-droid's website https://f-droid.org/ has a link to https://keepandroidopen.org/ which says in Google will lock down Android in September,

If you were planning on reformatting your phone to GrapheneOS, LineageOS, PostmarketOS, or UbuntuTouch, now is the time to do it.

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Fuck man I cannot buy a new phone right now. All apps I use are from fdroid. I'm kinda fucked ain't I?

Looking at cad$300 for a pixel 8a to get graphine on it. So sad my galaxy 9 can't run postmarket, lineage, or anything really.

I guess the pixel 3a (I think that's the one) with Ubuntu touch could work. Only a hundred it looks like to get that

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Welcome to the dependency economy where you can't afford to not let them fuck you.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

You can disable updates on Samsung even if not rooted. Fix it in time to where you are. Of course, that also means no security updates, but they're kindof forcing our hands.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not true anymore, but Alexa's used to only listen for specific keywords using a low-energy local-only chip.

It has since changed, as stated, and I have to assume other vendors followed suit.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

As a specific example, the ESP32 chip does low power voice recognition for pre-trained trigger words. This lightweight recognition lacks the training to detect anything other than the list of trigger words that Espressif provides.

Basically only battery-operated devices work this way (for power consumption reasons). If you’re plugged in you’re probably always running the high quality listening loop.

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I turned off "ok google" detection in my phone. Still it triggers incorrectly from the car radio sounding similar to "ok google". In theory turning off the detection should mean that the assistant only starts when I tap the microphone icon, but that's not my experience.

I can confirm, google is always listening, and it's not even very good at pretending not to.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I never use any voice commands for my phone. So I disable it and uninstall all voice related apps and settings.

An unexpected benefit was this significantly improves the overall performance of the phone.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

It's true for hardware that has dedicated low-power keyword detection hardware. I know my Pixel 1 had this behaviour. Haven't tested it on my current phone since I actually have it enabled...

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Hey, wiretap

[–] dudesss@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

On a side note, if you have a Chromebook or other laptops/desktops, you can reformat the BIOS to give you better control, more security, and less backdoors.

https://libreboot.org/

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