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According to my friend who comes from Pakistan, they have a slang for brown folks living abroad called "kuttae" which transliterates to "dog", but basically means "white man's lackey". She says most people hate them, but tolerate their antics because they generally have more money.

I know how badly immigrants from Africa and Asia have been treated in the US. What surprises me is that so many of the people working in the immigration office are descendants of immigrants. This got me thinking if one of the consequences of a US collapse (or even a major expulsion/exodus) would be these folks being forced to go back to the countries of their ancestors, and being treated horribly there out of spite / revenge.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Be realistic.

If the USA goes down, it's not going to be a soft landing.

The USSR was a smooth transition, and there was massive genocide in the wake of the fall. Ukraine gave up its weapons when the EU and USA promised them help.

Think places like North Dakota are going to peacefully surrender their nukes?

[–] Tja@programming.dev -3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The EU didn't exist then the USSR fell.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What the EU has been around since 1952?

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You are thinking of the European Community for Steel and Coal, probably.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What ever you want to call it the EU Parliament was founded 10 September 1952 if you want to be generous the first election that shows continuity of leadership was 1979 well before the fall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_European_Parliament_election

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That was the European Parliament, not the EU parliament. Words have meaning.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Its the same Parliament as the current Parliament there is no such thing as the EU Parliament. Word do have meaning and you need to learn to read.

[–] Tja@programming.dev -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Same shit, similar hat. It really doesn't matter all that much, buddy.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 4 days ago

It's just something different, other than that, it's the same.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago

Fine. Nuclear powers England and France were on board.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It kinda depends on what you mean when you say a "collapse". If you're talking about a cascading failure that swiftly leads to near anarchy.......then people are going to be a little too busy with their own problems to really care. The world is so interconnected and dependent on international trade that shutting down one straight has had yet to be told consequences on global trade and geopolitical stability.

I don't think a collapse in the sense that a lot of people are predicting is really possible. More than likely the US will slowly withdraw from their current sphere of influence and create vacuums of power that another world power will fill. In that case the views of Americans will slowly change over time to match their changing influence.

Empires don't really vanish over night. People like to see the end of the Roman empire as some major event that turned off the lights overnight, but that's really just a byproduct of the compressive effects of how we read about history. In reality if you lived at the edge of the empire, at some point in you fathers life the Romans stopped building bridges, and in yours they stopped maintaining roads, in your son's they might not even bother to send a tax collector. At some point people decide the roads are too shitty and need to be maintained, and you get a new tax collector.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

*Heterosexual

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This sounds like something that would vary from country to country. Also, assuming the person still spoke the local language, how would you even know?

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Accent, mostly. And most Asian-Americans do not learn their respective Asian language.

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I got the impression that they were referring to emigrants that naturalized and later repatriated, not necessarily their descendants. Also, just from my anecdotal experience, it seems that second-generation immigrants tend to learn both the native and host languages, and third-generation and beyond don't know their native languages, or just bits and pieces. Source is my in-laws, as my wife is a second-generation immigrant (technically first but she was a baby when she came over.)

Most people who live in the US for even a few years get this very distinct 'American' accent, even when they are speaking their mothertongue. I don't know how to describe it; I would say that the vowels get sharper. If you are from the US, listen to a German or Russian speaking English, and then take the opposite of the difference you hear.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

and being treated horribly there out of spite / revenge.

Very unlikely, unless they keep acting entitled. Yes, the 'kuttae' stereotype is there, but in the end they're just people who tried to get a more comfortable life.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 5 days ago

In China they call them "banana people". Yellow on the outside, white on the inside.